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Old 10-12-2013   #1481
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Its gonna suck to eat that dead money. What will that figure be? Does it take away from the actual cap or is it just payed to Schaub and you still have full amount of cap to sign players?

Not that I would want to start Schaub but say he performs decent in camp, the team knowing all the while they will be going with Keenum or QB drafted and still Create a small market for Schaub in the process? Saying he won't be the QB whatsoever kinda shows your hand and you lose all leverage. Im just trying to think of best case scenario obviously, but crazy things happen during camp and a team or two could get desperate for a QB
As mentioned before, cutting Schaub could cost as much as $10M of dead money. But what difference does that make if he can't play & you know he can't play? That would be like the Jags continuing to throw Gabbert out there.

Now the Texans can designate Matt a June 1st cut, then his dead money would only be $3.5M for 2014. $7M for 2015.

Keep in mind, if he is on the roster when the regular season starts, that's $14.5M against the cap.

If he's designated a June 1st cut it's only $3.5M

We'll save $7M if we cut him.
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Its gonna suck to eat that dead money. What will that figure be? Does it take away from the actual cap or is it just payed to Schaub and you still have full amount of cap to sign players?

Not that I would want to start Schaub but say he performs decent in camp, the team knowing all the while they will be going with Keenum or QB drafted and still Create a small market for Schaub in the process? Saying he won't be the QB whatsoever kinda shows your hand and you lose all leverage. Im just trying to think of best case scenario obviously, but crazy things happen during camp and a team or two could get desperate for a QB
Preseason won't show much of anything or prove much of anything if he plays out the way he has this season. It will not make him more "desirable" to us (at least I would hope not) or other teams. Bringing him back next year to compete as a STARTER will be as disruptive to the progress of this team as staying in close touch with a jealous Ex while trying to cultivate a new healthy relationship.
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Preseason won't show much of anything or prove much of anything if he plays out the way he has this season. It will not make him more "desirable" to us (at least I would hope not) or other teams. Bringing him back next year to compete as a STARTER will be as disruptive to the progress of this team as staying in close touch with a jealous Ex while trying to cultivate a new healthy relationship.
Absolutely agree!

He's got a contract that pays him anywhere from $10 million to $14.5 million over the next three years (2014-2016), not to mention a $1 million roster bonus in each year. Just like the Texans will (hopefully) be unwilling to part with that amount of base salary for Schaub, nobody else in the NFL's going to either.

However, it should also be noted that there is no reduction in the cap hit that is derived by trading him. Cut him or trade him after the 2013 season, and either way you're getting that $10.5 million hit.
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Cut him or trade him after the 2013 season, and either way you're getting that $10.5 million hit.
If Schaub is designated as a June 1st cut, the Texans would only be liable for the bonus allocation for 2014 (which is $3.5 million). The remaining $7 million in unallocated bonus would show on the 2015 cap. So the cap savings in 2014 in this scenario would be $14.5 million (salary + roster bonus + bonus allocation) - $3.5 million bonus allocation = $11 million in 2014 cap savings.

Howeva (as Stephen A. Smith might say), the Texans won't be able to go crazy in free agency with that cap savings. Even if they release Schaub in March, they don't get the cap relief until after Junes 1st. The cap relief would more likely go to extending current Texans. Like perhaps, J.J. Watt for instance.

Trading Schaub (like that would be a possibility) would cause the entire remaining bonus allocation ($10.5 million) to hit the 2014 cap. Since there's no way any team would trade for that ridiculous contract, it's a moot point.
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do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????
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How much wiggle room for error does Matt Schaub have today? If he throws a pick six (5th game in a row) on our first offensive drive to put us behind 7-0, will Kubiak bench him fast or allow him to play through it? Seems like we should dominate the Rams today and blow them out 45-6, but I'm worried we're going to only show up for a quarter or two again. Not a full 60 minutes like the elite teams do.
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... I'm worried we're going to only show up for a quarter or two again. Not a full 60 minutes like the elite teams do.
You could make the argument that the Texans actually showed up for a full 60 minutes last week vs. the 49ers.
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do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????
Not many teams that he would be able to play for successfully at this point in his career. It would have to be in a system a lot like ours. The Washington Redskins for example, would be the perfect fit, but they have two young quarterbacks that I'd rather have instead of an aging and slow Matt Schaub.
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You could make the argument that the Texans actually showed up for a full 60 minutes last week vs. the 49ers.
True. The defense left it on the field. I was proud of their effort. Just a shame they are put in situations where the game is already decided and out of their hands. We could have beaten the Seahawks if we had just trusted our defense late in the game. Running the ball and punting, pinning them deep, with 2:50 or so left in the fourth quarter.
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You could make the argument that the Texans actually showed up for a full 60 minutes last week vs. the 49ers.
Haha...I believe I see what you did there...
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True. The defense left it on the field. I was proud of their effort. Just a shame they are put in situations where the game is already decided and out of their hands. We could have beaten the Seahawks if we had just trusted our defense late in the game. Running the ball and punting, pinning them deep, with 2:50 or so left in the fourth quarter.
I wish I could agree... but the Texans were having problems stopping the run all night. We're actually ranked towards the bottom in the league in yards per carry.
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do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????
Carson Palmer was traded to the Raiders to be their starter. After disappointing the Raiders for a year, he was signed to start for the Cardinals.

There are only a handful of good QBs in the league. Even with the deep QB draft coming up, someone will want a guy like Schaub to "mentor" their rookie & hedge their bets.

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How much wiggle room for error does Matt Schaub have today? If he throws a pick six (5th game in a row) on our first offensive drive to put us behind 7-0, will Kubiak bench him fast or allow him to play through it?
IMO, you've got to stick with him as long as you'd have stuck with Yates/Keenum. You don't want your QB playing with the thought that the next INT will send him to the bench & you can't always "blame" the QB if an INT is returned for a touchdown.

Also, I think it needs to be downplayed as much as possible if you expect your QB to "get over it" As long as an INT is made out to be a huge mistake, it will always be on your QBs mind. You don't want your QB to be careless with the ball (to be honest only one of Schaub's INTs was on a careless throw), but you do not want him playing scared.

We've got to win despite the INT. Just like a struggling pitcher needs to have faith that his team will "have his back" if he gives up a hit, by fielding the ball, getting outs, & scoring runs; Schaub, Tj, or Case need to know his team will get stops if they make a mistake. Give up a field goal... that's fine. But I believe we've given up a TD on every INT Schaub's thrown, not just the pick 6es & that's got to change regardless who the QB is.

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Seems like we should dominate the Rams today and blow them out 45-6...
& this is part of the reason I started the "We don't look like the Broncos thread."

It's been two years since we've seen a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl in Houston.

It's been two years since Arian has played at a level capable of winning a Super Bowl.

It's been two years since our OL played well enough to win a Super Bowl.

It's been two years since our defense played well enough to win a Super Bowl.

Only Andre, Cushing, Jj, & Kjax are playing at that level or better than they did in 2011. That's got to change if we're seriously going to make a run at the Super Bowl.

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but I'm worried we're going to only show up for a quarter or two again. Not a full 60 minutes like the elite teams do.
The Broncos offense is the only unit that has played 60 minutes a game... nobody else. Nobody. If any team ever played like an elite team for 60 minutes the score would be at least 28-0 if you're thinking a TD per qtr, or 40-0 if "showing-up" equals 10 points per quarter.
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I don't know how long his leash is with the coaches but the fans are holding him by the collar.

He's going to be booed his first errant throw and extended booing on his first 3 and out. If he throws another INT....who knows.
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don't worry everyone, matt schaub will have a great game again, building his confidence, and then being the lower elite QB again.

enjoy the win today!!!!
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do u think when we cut or trade schaub he will be a starter for any other team ...??????
Yes. I can see two cases where Schaub would be a starter.

1) He could be a temporary starter until a young guy is ready. I can see both the Browns and Jaguars both drafting a QB in the 1st round, but then have Schaub as a one year starter.

2) I think teams like the Vikings and Bucs feel they are a decent QB away from being a playoff team. I can see the both of them taking a chance on Schaub.
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Watching Game Day Morning on NFLN, and it was encouraging to hear everyone but Faulk agree you stick with Schaub. I fully expected Irvin to blast Schaub, but he surprised me. I know there are those here who think they have better insight than guys like them, but I will stick the Texans players who stand behind Schaub, and the former players from around the league who have also agreed you stick it out with Schaub.

If Schaub struggles today, I support benching him for part of the game if need be, or even the entire game should he throw another Pick 6, but I firmly stand behind the guy, and have confidence he can get out of this funk with the help of his teammates who all need to step up their game in the coming weeks.

Good Luck Matt!
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Watching Game Day Morning on NFLN, and it was encouraging to hear everyone but Faulk agree you stick with Schaub. I fully expected Irvin to blast Schaub, but he surprised me. I know there are those here who think they have better insight than guys like them, but I will stick the Texans players who stand behind Schaub, and the former players from around the league who have also agreed you stick it out with Schaub.

If Schaub struggles today, I support benching him for part of the game if need be, or even the entire game should he throw another Pick 6, but I firmly stand behind the guy, and have confidence he can get out of this funk with the help of his teammates who all need to step up their game in the coming weeks.

Good Luck Matt!
Here Here! Good Luck Matt! Time to man up and show us if you really got what it takes!
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I don't know how long his leash is with the coaches but the fans are holding him by the collar.

He's going to be booed his first errant throw and extended booing on his first 3 and out. If he throws another INT....who knows.
Me thinks he'll be benched when his first completion to the opponent is secured. I'm wondering what Kubes will do if he fumbles the ball away instead....does that also count?
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