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so this thread was moved but the kubiak names matt schaub starter isnt.

i see how its gonna be around here.
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To be truthful, I have never really liked Schaub. I wanted Rosenfels to start when he was here. I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.

Sage had a Greek Tragedy type of aura around him. He had balls and wanted to make plays for his team. Schaub doesn't have those things. What was "tragic" was his talent did not allow for him to actually make the plays his body and mind wanted him to do.
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To be truthful, I have never really liked Schaub. I wanted Rosenfels to start when he was here. I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.

Sage had a Greek Tragedy type of aura around him. He had balls and wanted to make plays for his team. Schaub doesn't have those things. What was "tragic" was his talent did not allow for him to actually make the plays his body and mind wanted him to do.
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To be truthful, I have never really liked Schaub. I wanted Rosenfels to start when he was here. I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.

Sage had a Greek Tragedy type of aura around him. He had balls and wanted to make plays for his team. Schaub doesn't have those things. What was "tragic" was his talent did not allow for him to actually make the plays his body and mind wanted him to do.
I thought sage should have been our stop gap instead of going after Schaub. I think this team would have been better for it. And I actually do think he had the physical talent. Remember, sage covered kicks for us when he came here.

I think that rosecopter game did him in though. That was his shot and I think if he makes that play or doesn't fumble, it would have been hard to justify starting Schaub after that.

But that's not how it happened and really this stuff is just fun to think about. Iiwii now.
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I always liked him. Even after the Rosencopter game, which I was muttering obscenities as I was leaving Reliant Stadium, I still respected him.
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I think that rosecopter game did him in though. That was his shot and I think if he makes that play or doesn't fumble, it would have been hard to justify starting Schaub after that.
The thing about Rosencopter is that he was trying to make a play. I like that he had the drive to go for it. That's the kind of cut throat attitude a lot of people think we're missing on offense. It's easy to make fun of him for it, but like you two I have some respect for him putting himself in that situation.
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Its a good read, but it's nothing that everyone who has an ounce of football knowledge didn't already know...mentally he's a mess right now & after the SF game...i'm not sure he'll ever make it back...
Guys on the radio (I can't remember who) were saying that Schaub hasn't thrown 3 INTs in a game since 2009 (I think). So we know he's had bad games before & gotten past it. But this is something totally different. The pick6, then the pick6 in 4 consecutive games, then that we're 1-4 in those games.

I know people don't want to hear it, but the only way to really get him out of it, without going back into his shell, is for the defense & the run game to pick up the slack.

He needs to make better decisions, but he also needs to stay aggressive & the only way that can happen is if we win in spite of the pick 6. The offenses we've faced aren't really playing very well. Sure we're making it easy for them, giving them the short field. But if we were to eliminate the long TD scoring drives, we win those games.

Schaub should remain under intense scrutiny, I'm not saying any different. But if we believe he must "play-through" it, I'm sure winning would go a long way. Stop thinking about mistakes & losing & focus on winning. He had ample opportunity to win the game in Seattle, even after the pick 6. He didn't.
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Interesting insight on his situation. Basically he says Matt is going to have to mentally get past his mistakes to get back to playing well. Playing guarded and conservative is only going to lead to more simple costly mistakes. So what I take from that is we need to let'er rip and come out rockin. I personally would like to see more bombs and big play attempts.
I was thinking the same thing. Fisher is probably expecting us to plan on running roughshod all over them & is going over the intricacies of shutting down the cutback lanes.

This is probably the game that opening with the bootleg could lead to a quick easy score.
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Guys on the radio (I can't remember who) were saying that Schaub hasn't thrown 3 INTs in a game since 2009 (I think). So we know he's had bad games before & gotten past it. But this is something totally different. The pick6, then the pick6 in 4 consecutive games, then that we're 1-4 in those games.

I know people don't want to hear it, but the only way to really get him out of it, without going back into his shell, is for the defense & the run game to pick up the slack.

He needs to make better decisions, but he also needs to stay aggressive & the only way that can happen is if we win in spite of the pick 6. None of the offenses we've faced aren't really playing very well. Sure we're making it easy for them, giving them the short field. But if we were to eliminate the long TD scoring drives, we win those games.

Schaub should remain under intense scrutiny, I'm not saying any different. But if we believe he must "play-through" it, I'm sure winning would go a long way. Stop thinking about mistakes & losing & focus on winning. He had ample opportunity to win the game in Seattle, even after the pick 6. He didn't.

Nah, he's done & its time to move on simply b/c the majority of the fan base has turned on him....and every time this guy makes a mistake he has the potential to go into streaks like this from here on out.. Even if we turn this season around, the only situation in which i can see Schaub here next year is if we win the SB this season with him at the helm......and suffice it to say, that's likely not happening....its time this franchise settled the qb position...we've got to go after someone high in the draft...regardless of how this season pans out....this is the draft to do it.
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HAMMER TIME?

I hope so. Thank Goodness. Good riddance.

Very good tolerance level for this cat IMHO. Where do these stirrers come from. It's obvious he's Keenum knobber but dayum, where does it end.

Here, right now I hope.
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Nah, he's done & its time to move on simply b/c the majority of the fan base has turned on him....and every time this guy makes a mistake he has the potential to go into streaks like this from here on out.. Even if we turn this season around, the only situation in which i can see Schaub here next year is if we win the SB this season with him at the helm......and suffice it to say, that's likely not happening....its time this franchise settled the qb position...we've got to go after someone high in the draft...regardless of how this season pans out....this is the draft to do it.
I believe that we have proven the we cannot afford to consistently be a one dimensional team and still expect to win consistently.
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Nah, he's done & its time to move on simply b/c the majority of the fan base has turned on him....and every time this guy makes a mistake he has the potential to go into streaks like this from here on out.. Even if we turn this season around, the only situation in which i can see Schaub here next year is if we win the SB this season with him at the helm......and suffice it to say, that's likely not happening....its time this franchise settled the qb position...we've got to go after someone high in the draft...regardless of how this season pans out....this is the draft to do it.
Yes, even with a SB win you go QB in the first round, and make a move to get into the top 12. There's 4-5 guys after Bridgewater that could pan out.

You open camp with an all out QB competition. Question is do you flat out cut Schaub or allow him to compete for the job?
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Yes, even with a SB win you go QB in the first round, and make a move to get into the top 12. There's 4-5 guys after Bridgewater that could pan out.

You open camp with an all out QB competition. Question is do you flat out cut Schaub or allow him to compete for the job?
we've had him since 2006 hmmmm....na he has had his time here, been ups and downs but we need to move on already.
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Yes, even with a SB win you go QB in the first round, and make a move to get into the top 12. There's 4-5 guys after Bridgewater that could pan out.

You open camp with an all out QB competition. Question is do you flat out cut Schaub or allow him to compete for the job?
That should have been done last offseason/preseason. Next year, all it does is take away important 1st team reps from our potential QB of the future.
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That should have been done last offseason/preseason. Next year, all it does is take away important 1st team reps from our potential QB of the future.
Last time the Texans decided to part ways with the franchise QB they replaced him and cut him shortly thereafter. I don't know if they would do that the same way this time or not. I understand they tried to trade Carr but there was no interest. Everyone knew he was going to be cut. If they start shopping Schaub even discreetly I think the same thing would happen. Someone would certainly be interested but everyone would realize that he was about to be a free agent and just wait.

I think that when they decide to move on from Schaub (assuming we're talking offseason move) there's zero chance he sticks around to compete for the starters spot.
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Last time the Texans decided to part ways with the franchise QB they replaced him and cut him shortly thereafter. I don't know if they would do that the same way this time or not. I understand they tried to trade Carr but there was no interest. Everyone knew he was going to be cut. If they start shopping Schaub even discreetly I think the same thing would happen. Someone would certainly be interested but everyone would realize that he was about to be a free agent and just wait.

I think that when they decide to move on from Schaub (assuming we're talking offseason move) there's zero chance he sticks around to compete for the starters spot.
I pretty much concur .... you also have to take into account Schaub's contract implications on a team's salary cap should they trade for him - Its simply not worth it to take him at his current salary when they can negotiate a much better deal as a FA.
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Its gonna suck to eat that dead money. What will that figure be? Does it take away from the actual cap or is it just payed to Schaub and you still have full amount of cap to sign players?

Not that I would want to start Schaub but say he performs decent in camp, the team knowing all the while they will be going with Keenum or QB drafted and still Create a small market for Schaub in the process? Saying he won't be the QB whatsoever kinda shows your hand and you lose all leverage. Im just trying to think of best case scenario obviously, but crazy things happen during camp and a team or two could get desperate for a QB
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