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Old 10-11-2013   #121
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Again, what does Schaub have on his resume other than as you indicate, before injury in 2011 he was good?

Resume has little to do with it. Accountability would suggest, Schaub's past accomplishments have outlived his current entitlement.
No entitlement... Coach still believes he is best option on the roster. Agree or not, it is a reasonable position to have. Why assume the worst motives?

So many fans want to displace their disappointment with anger... How about just being disappointed for a while... Then,see what happens instead of creating a villain or villains out of the same people you are wanting to succeed.
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No entitlement... Coach still believes he is best option on the roster. Agree or not, it is a reasonable position to have. Why assume the worst motives?

So many fans want to displace their disappointment with anger... How about just being disappointed for a while... Then,see what happens instead of creating a villain or villains out of the same people you are wanting to succeed.
Well said.

what's a while?
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You nailed the answer.. was no need to try and outdo yourself..
Past that, I saw stats, incorrect stats at that. From which didn't address the question of what has Matt done?
This is not a comparison of TJ to Schaub Per se, but since you brought it up.. TJ actually has 5 games started(not 7), to which his numbers are very similar to Schaub's last 5 games. I think you'll find one wins by a nose. Disturbing when comparing a rookie's stats to a 10 year veteran.

And, by the way, Matt's 5 game data still remains on par with 7 games prior to that. This isn't a recent epiphany that Schaub is no longer his pre 2011 self.

TJ has started 7 games in the nfl, played 7.5 and has gone 4 td 6 ints
Matt the last 12 starts is 13 tds 14 ints. To help you that would put TJ less than 7 and over 10 ints


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Rings aren't stats.. they are trophies, indicative of greatness. The comparison wasn't to illustrate who's the better bad player right now, but as you well understand it was to lay credence as to why Eli's accomplishments warrant a longer leash so to speak, which tie into accountability. One HAS to account for Eli's trip to disney world. What do we have to accont for Matt? That he once was a top 10 QB in many statistics back in 2011? Great! Let's jump in the ol' time machine and grab that guy! To suggest he's amongst us now is a real stretch. All thing considered, from an accountability stand point, I can only conclude that Yates and Keenum must be REAALY horrible, as the only real tangible truth we've got is right now, if Schaub remains the best option under center, it's going to be a looooong season.

How much worse has Eli done than Schaub? How much extra leash does Eli get?
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Eli's line has been awful and they have a guy who was out of the NFL as their feature back right now. Not making excuses, but Eli is a risk taker and drives the ball downfield. Schaub can't make those throws and has better protection than Manning.
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Eli's line has been awful and they have a guy who was out of the NFL as their feature back right now. Not making excuses, but Eli is a risk taker and drives the ball downfield. Schaub can't make those throws and has better protection than Manning.
Yeah, the Giants oline's a hot mess. Booth (think that's his name) is the only cat worth a lick
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How much worse has Eli done than Schaub? How much extra leash does Eli get?
Quite a bit because he has rings and won one of them not too long ago. Whether we like it or not that does go a long way. Not to mention their division is horrible and even at 0-6 they aren't out of it though I still think it would take a miracle. But if you win that ring it changes things and Schaub has yet to accomplish this.

Plus there is the addition of who is behind them. Schaub has Yates who has past experience on the field including playoff time and has been in the system 3 years now. Keenum is the other with two years in the system. Both had strong preseasons.

Eli has Curtis Painter who I don't think even played in '12 and isn't as familiar with the Giants system. The other is a rookie who looked like utter crap in the preseason. In fact, both of them were pretty bad. Even David Carr played better though ended up being the one cut.

So one of these two teams have a better option than the other. Secondly, you have surrounding personnel. One is rather stacked with talent and the other has a middling roster. Even on a NFL article yesterday about underachieving teams who do you think the top two were? Falcons at #1 and Texans at #2. The talent on this roster is evident. Despite folks being surprised the Giants doing so bad the fact the Texans are not playing up to par weighs heavier because it is a team expected to do more.

Now in truth, I don't get into comparing my teams to other teams. Different situations and personnel. You shouldn't expect your team to react the same way another does. But we shouldn't be sitting here trying to act like it is a black/white situation in these comparison when it obviously is not.
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How much worse has Eli done than Schaub? How much extra leash does Eli get?


2 Superbowls that when you look back on their respective seasons they had no right being in and he won them. Schaub can hang his hat on his Pro Bowl MVP....
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A super bowl mvp QB down to an 0-6 starter with 15 ints and a fumble is certainly a greater fall and a middle of the pack QB 2-3 starter with 9 ints. Matt certainly has to do less work to get back to the norm
I think you missed the entire point of my post, My post had nothing to do with returning to norm. Point is Eli has built up capital in NY whereas Schaub has not here. That's why Eli will be able to survive his horrific season and if Schaub doesn't turn it around soon he's going to be playing out his final downs as a starting NFL QB. He also should have a easier time returning to normal since normal for him is mediocre to average QB.
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& if that doesn't happen, what does that mean?

Nothing. When the game is over, & there was no pick 6, you'll be on my side saying the KC Chiefs defense wasn't that great. They look good playing Romo.... they won't look so good when it's all said & done with. I doubt they'll finish top 10.
Umm.. no, if the pick 6 doesn't happen I still won't be on your side, because the Chiefs are the better defensive team and have been for about 3 seasons running. They have probowl talent at every level in their defense and are one of the top young defenses in the NFL. They're simply better than the Titans and have more talent.
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I have no particular insight into the inner operations of the Texans FO, so I'm not going to speculate on accountability or lack thereof as it pertains to Kubiak and his players.

However, that being said, from an outsider perspective, the fact that Joe Marciano is still here speaks volumes about a perceived lack of accountability with this franchise. What the heck does that dude have to do to get fired?? Certainly fielding the worst special teams unit in the league won't do it, which is a bizarre disconnect that you rarely see in pro sports these days.
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it is an entitlement. they just signed him to a brand spanking new contract and told off peyton manning before choosing schaub.

This is a political maneuver not to save the texans season and field the best team to win, but to field a team that doesnt make your general manager and head coach foolish for benching the guy they just gave a brand new contract to.

This is a political move to save face for rick smith and gary kubiak for giving schaub a new contract instead of peyton manning.

They made this bed and they have to sleep in it despite it having full of bed bugs and needing to be fumigated.

Your attempt to make a martyr out of matt is just plain pathetic. Nobody has a problem with schaub personally. The guy is a family man, a stand up citizen, and has never gotten in trouble in the law. He is a good guy and all of the criticism towards him are football related.

Spare us your fake indignation for the sake of protecting a quarterback not doing his job.

This is a business. People pay big money to see the texans plays. Fans have the right to show displeasure against a player holding a team back.

Its nothing personal, this is just business.




looooooooooooooooooooooool

The Peyton Manning argument is ridiculous. He had a career threatening injury that caused Indy to cut him loose. It was a high risk move. Also, the Texans would have had much difficulty fitting him into their cap and their would have been a lot of cap casualties that would have lasting effects on the roster's makeup.

Again, nobody is arguing that the Texans, nor any other team in the NFL, always make the perfect move. Simply, I am saying that the decision to play Schaub this week is not about a lack of accountability... Perhaps it is a bad decision. We will see. However, it is a decision, I am confident, with a view on the team's success this season.
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However, that being said, from an outsider perspective, the fact that Joe Marciano is still here speaks volumes about a perceived lack of accountability with this franchise. What the heck does that dude have to do to get fired?? Certainly fielding the worst special teams unit in the league won't do it, which is a bizarre disconnect that you rarely see in pro sports these days.
It appears to be similar to Richard Smith's last season here. They brought in Frank Bush, kept paying Richard Smith. Then after still fielding a poor defense, they fired him & promoted Frank Bush.

This year, they've brought in an assisstant to Marciano. I'm guessing if our STs doesn't improve, they'll fire him & name his assistant the ST Coach.
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The Peyton Manning argument is ridiculous. He had a career threatening injury that caused Indy to cut him loose. It was a high risk move. Also, the Texans would have had much difficulty fitting him into their cap and their would have been a lot of cap casualties that would have lasting effects on the roster's makeup.

Again, nobody is arguing that the Texans, nor any other team in the NFL, always make the perfect move. Simply, I am saying that the decision to play Schaub this week is not about a lack of accountability... Perhaps it is a bad decision. We will see. However, it is a decision, I am confident, with a view on the team's success this season.
Too many facts for some in here to process...we lost key guys in FA without having him on the books..imagine how many we likely would've lost if we'd offerd 96 million to Manning...essentially just under 20 million a year....

Not only would it have been a HUGE risk for the texans to offer a guy coming off 4 neck surgeries that, we probably would've lost a few of the key guys we eventually were able to resign...Meyers....Arian.....Cush.....
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If a players resume is so important, why on earth would anyone consider starting Yates or keenum over schaub?
Because Schaub's resume isn't accomplished at all and he's done very little to elevate himself from having his job taken from him by a entry level employee, especially if he can't consistently show up and perform at work.

Seriously though.. tell us all about "Schaub's resume".
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another lie. we didnt even bother entertaining the thought. to say we couldnt afford him is just downright dishonest. If you were serious about getting peyton you would make the necessary roster financial moves to make it happen.

we didnt because we chose matt schaub instead.


I hate the fact that i mentioned manning because i knew that would give you the out you need to not respond to the main point of my post:

That Rick Smith and Kubiak gave schaub a brand new contract and they dont want to look fooling publicly and admit a mistake by benching a guy they just gave a new contract to. That's why he's still starting and that is the very definition of entitlement. He's entitled to start because he just signed a big new contract. Smith and Kubiak want to save face.

Im not sure you are qualified to say it is a lie, nor are you qualified to speak about any level of communication the texans had in considering Manning or to what degree getting him would have impacted the team for years to come.
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Im all for finding Schaub's replacement, but Im also not going to be a revisionist historian and act like we had any realistic shot at signing Manning.. because we didn't. He didn't fit in our cap at the time and we would've had to purge this team of most of it's talent just to consider him.
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Im all for finding Schaub's replacement, but Im also not going to be a revisionist historian and act like we had any realistic shot at signing Manning.. because we didn't. He didn't fit in our cap at the time and we would've had to purge this team of most of it's talent just to consider him.
Not only that, but we're still Houston. It's like would you rather be the HC at USC or TAMU?

If the money is the same (& we weren't outbidding anybody) it's not too hard to find a "more attractive" offer. I think we're making strides & before long we'll be a "destination" but no way Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady are coming to Houston.

If he said he's interested, he's just fanning the bidding war he "said" he wasn't interested in.
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Because Schaub's resume isn't accomplished at all and he's done very little to elevate himself from having his job taken from him by a entry level employee, especially if he can't consistently show up and perform at work.

Seriously though.. tell us all about "Schaub's resume".
Tell me about Yates' resume... Are you seriously arguing that Yates and keenum have proven as much in the NFL as Schaub?... That would be intellectually dishonest, to say the least.

My point was in reference to Eli manning. Someone argued that Eli's NFL resume justifies giving him more time despite his play... My point... If an NFL résumé Carries that much weight, then how could anyone want Yates to start over schaub... Yates has done much less in the nfl.
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Tell me about Yates' resume... Are you seriously arguing that Yates and keenum have proven as much in the NFL as Schaub?... That would be intellectually dishonest, to say the least.

My point was in reference to Eli manning. Someone argued that Eli's NFL resume justifies giving him more time despite his play... My point... If an NFL résumé Carries that much weight, then how could anyone want Yates to start over schaub... Yates has done much less in the nfl.
Resumes in the NFL are often about what players do when it matters.

2 Super Bowl victories >>>>>> 1 playoff win.
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Resumes in the NFL are often about what players do when it matters.

2 Super Bowl victories >>>>>> 1 playoff win.
and if Eli Manning was in Houston, my guess is he would get the start over Schaub.
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