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Old 10-10-2013   #1361
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Then it would not make sense for Washington to part with him.
It does if they could pick up multiple picks this year and still have a chance to draft a QB that can slide right in if RG3 goes down, and still run the offense.

When Cousins comes in, it is looks like a different offense, I don't see the plays RG3 runs when Cousins is in.
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Yates...Certainly he stands a chance of doing better than throwing 4 pick 6s in a row.
IMO, it depends. First you have to correctly identify the reason for the pick 6es.
  1. Tennesse
    Looked like Schaub & Hopkins weren't on the same page
  2. Baltimore
    He was trying to lead OD... normally he'd put it on Owen's back hip. A much safer throw.
  3. Seattle
    Ill advised. He should have checked out of the play (maybe he was trying to make a play). He threw it up for grabs.... should've been inexcusable, but that's obviously not the case.
  4. San Francisco
    Telegraphing throws all day long.

Then you've got to ask wheter Tj would commit those same errors. He did throw 3 INTs in the divisional round, could/should have been 6. The fact that none of them were returned for TDs says more about the Ravens defense, than Schaub/Tj

I don't really know where I stand on this, Tj/Schaub/Yates, they've all got their pros & cons. If we win, I really don't care which way he goes, but he better be right. If he goes with Schaub (which he did) he better not come back in week 8 & say we're going a different direction. If he were to pick Tj/Case, he better be committed to it & make it work.
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We can trade TJ Yates and Ben Tate.
That makes sense.

I think Cousin is & was their back up plan for Griffin, but Yates/Tate might help them win their division. I can see them doing it for that.

But that's all I would offer. I would not throw in a draft pick or a swap.

They may take Yates, Posey, & Jean.
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It does if they could pick up multiple picks this year and still have a chance to draft a QB that can slide right in if RG3 goes down, and still run the offense.

When Cousins comes in, it is looks like a different offense, I don't see the plays RG3 runs when Cousins is in.


you wouldnt see the rg3 runs with yates either
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It does if they could pick up multiple picks this year and still have a chance to draft a QB that can slide right in if RG3 goes down, and still run the offense.

When Cousins comes in, it is looks like a different offense, I don't see the plays RG3 runs when Cousins is in.
So they trade for a RB that they don't need, that won't help them win more games this year, that is on a one year contract, and the hope that they can maybe draft a QB that can do what Kirk Cousins already does? Productive quarterbacks > draft picks.
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Cousins would be great, but they're not giving him up. Especially given the status of Griffin's health.
I bet it would take a first round pick for them to even consider trading him... Its going to be a Rodgers type situation for him, will be forced to sit behind the starting QB for 3 to 4 years until his contract expires or they decide to part ways with RG III (highly doutful)
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Yates in his rookie year staring down receivers, took over a 7-3 team
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Yates took over an 7-3 when we were in game 11 and Matt II had given TJ a lead that would win the game. TJ was 2-3 as a starter in the regular season 3-4 total.
Yup to 2012. Yates effectively took over an 8-3 team. 17 pts were already on the board and the Jags scored 13 pts on the day. If the Texans won any of the remaining 5 games they were in the playoffs. Yates gets way, way too much credit for "getting the Texans to the playoffs."
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So in my mind, this has got to work. He's got to minimize Schaub's influence on the next couple of games, while collecting wins, while nursing Schaub's confidence back to "mediocre."
I'm right there with you. I told someone if we can get good solid runs up the middle early, nothing would boost Schaub's confidence more than a bootleg off of play-action for a deep bomb. Forget the short completions, it'll take a big one to start putting hairs back on his chest.
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IMO, it depends. First you have to correctly identify the reason for the pick 6es.
  1. Tennesse
    Looked like Schaub & Hopkins weren't on the same page
  2. Baltimore
    He was trying to lead OD... normally he'd put it on Owen's back hip. A much safer throw.
  3. Seattle
    Ill advised. He should have checked out of the play (maybe he was trying to make a play). He threw it up for grabs.... should've been inexcusable, but that's obviously not the case.
  4. San Francisco
    Telegraphing throws all day long.

Then you've got to ask wheter Tj would commit those same errors. He did throw 3 INTs in the divisional round, could/should have been 6. The fact that none of them were returned for TDs says more about the Ravens defense, than Schaub/Tj

I don't really know where I stand on this, Tj/Schaub/Yates, they've all got their pros & cons. If we win, I really don't care which way he goes, but he better be right. If he goes with Schaub (which he did) he better not come back in week 8 & say we're going a different direction. If he were to pick Tj/Case, he better be committed to it & make it work.
TK, I wish I had your outlook. It's healthier than mine. I wish I did care... but I don't.

I am likely UBER wrong, but while that may be, the fact that his 4th was the FIRST throw of the day. On the heels of the prior games, THAT's where he lost me. You simply can't come out on the field with the intent of not throwing a pick, yet on the very first pass play you do what he did... He lost me. At that point, I no longer care about the ones prior, the ones to come... any of them. Get off the field and earn your way back on. At that point, whatever you want to hang your 7 years as a starter on in Houston simply doesn't amount to enough to warrant being entitled to keep on slinging poo. Compound that with the a half-wit side line general who can't comprehend the notion of getting him off the field until he after he throws 2 more speaks volumes as well.

Dissect it all we want, if #8 comes out against the Rams on Sunday and lobs another pick with the very first play, I'll be no further at loss than I already am. If he come out on Sunday and plays like Peyton(unlikely) with a 500 yd game 8tds and a passer rating of 1zillion, I'll eat his jockstrap. He's never been that kind of quarterback, so it's an easy statement to make. What isn't easy, is understanding why the organization feels as if he has been that kind of a QB. What are they SOOO insistent in hanging on to?

As far as what TJ or Case would or wouldn't do in comparison to what has seemingly become a lost cause is relevant only in that the only sample we have to base it on would be preseason, which as a fair or unfair comparison in terms of game intensity, etc.. but the simple fact is neither TJ or Case did anything to suggest they could play any worse than the current train wreck.

If there ever was a reason for having a backup quarterback, other than injury sakes, THIS HAS TO QUALIFY.

From here on out... when Schaub plays well and it's "good for him". When he plays poorly, it's "what do you expect"?

As a Texan fan, I want to see Mr. Pick Six stroll out there as much as Jets fan wants to see Mr. Butt Fumble take the field.

Please put the fan base out of their misery!
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my concern is matt does enough to keep his job but doesnt do nearly enough to win in the playoffs (heck even get to the playoffs) and gets to stay on another year and its the same old song and dance for one more year.

Id rather take a chance and sacrifice this season and find out what we have in yates and keenum so we can make a strategic plan on drafting a qb with this upcoming class.

keeping schaub as starter just holds everything back.

-we dont get to find out what we have in yates and keenum
-we win enough to lose draft position to draft a possible game changer at qb in a potentially very good qb class
-we win but dont challenge seriously for the superbow
-we lose two more years trying to figure out what we have in yates and keenum

Find out now.
I completely agree. As CloakNNNDagger has stated convincingly in his opinion as a doctor, Matt Schaub is finished. The Lisfranc injury he had is degenerative and we could have an exorcism and get all the best shrinks to help him mentally and it STILL WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Schaub's problem is a degenerative physical condition. Don't get me wrong, his confidence is shot and he is making bad decisions but the root cause is the degenerative physical condition.

There is ZERO UPSIDE in playing a QB that physically can't get better which means his production is impossible to improve. Play a healthy QB and there is a chance we spark the team and having just an average QB in terms of mobility and standing in the pocket would do wonders.
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I bet it would take a first round pick for them to even consider trading him... Its going to be a Rodgers type situation for him, will be forced to sit behind the starting QB for 3 to 4 years until his contract expires or they decide to part ways with RG III (highly doutful)
OR Texans wait till next year. Wouldn't that be the 3rd year of a 4 year rookie contract? Wait till next year, offer a deal because no way Cousins is gonna sit behind RG3 knowing he can start for several teams and why wouldn't Washington want to get something for him instead of letting him walk?

I think, for the right price, Washington would deal him...
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Instead of overpaying for Cousins why not try and find the next RG3 in the draft? Cousins just doesn't pass my eye test, I'd rather swing for the fences with a guy like Mariota or Taj Boyd then be stuck with someone who will probably morph into another Schaub. Before yall go ballistic, yes I'm almost blind and no I didn't watch every Kirk Cousins snap, my memory is one phenomenal game, then a whole lotta "meh" ... Same exact way I feel about Vicks backup ( can't think of his name)

Use the assets in play and sweeten it with Foster, jump into the top 10 and possibly bounce back as soon as next year.
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At this point I would give up our second round pick, Tate and Yates for Cousins.
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Yup to 2012. Yates effectively took over an 8-3 team. 17 pts were already on the board and the Jags scored 13 pts on the day. If the Texans won any of the remaining 5 games they were in the playoffs. Yates gets way, way too much credit for "getting the Texans to the playoffs."
Only have from Texans homers who really don't understand the game. Anyone with a mild NFL football IQ could understand that Yates was just a guy out there taking snaps, handing the ball off, and making check down throws. There is no one outside of Houston that looks at that season and actually credits Yates for taking the Texans anywhere that season. Only the people from Houston who has a ton of hopes.
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At this point I would give up our second round pick, Tate and Yates for Cousins.
That trade actually makes some sense. I'd do it too.
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I'm right there with you. I told someone if we can get good solid runs up the middle early, nothing would boost Schaub's confidence more than a bootleg off of play-action for a deep bomb. Forget the short completions, it'll take a big one to start putting hairs back on his chest.
Yeah, and then we can go into this never ending saga where Schaub is in and out of the dog house.

What a lot of you fail to realize is that the Texans are at that point where they need to hit rock bottom again. Doing anything in the playoff is out of the question now or even making the playoffs if Schaub is starting. We literally need Schaub to totally screw up again to get him out of there finally for a few weeks at least. That is the only way we can see what other guys can do under this handicap HC we have. If Schaub starts having little bits of success all that does is prolong the search to find our new guy and Gary jumps on his jock again and that just makes it easier to refuse to try someone else.

If it comes down to it, I'll start rooting for the Texans to lose again so we can get another QB in there again. Until Schaub is gone or on the bench this team is incapable of going anywhere.
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Why are people wanting Cousins? What has done or proven? NOthing at all other then a good regular season game or two when the Skins were really hot I might add. RG3 who is struggling right now won a ton of games in a row with that same team.

Cousins is another version of Schaub to me with more mobility but not a lot more. I figured people at this point would finally want to take some time to find that next big thing instead of looking for all of these hopeless stop gap guys that Kubiak would likely latch onto for several years before even dreaming of drafting a solid passer who can sling it. QB is to important to settle in this day and age.

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Michael Irvin on the halftime show about Eli's interceptions:

"It's one thing to throw those interceptions, its another thing to throw those Schaubs."

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Guys on NFLN just said if Schaub keeps turning it over than he'll be yanked... possibly during this week game, because according to a Texans source 'it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the team'.
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