Originally Posted by thunderkyss
Rivers & Schaub were in the same draft. They're practically the same age. Jay Cutler was drafted two years later. Both guys came into the league as starters, Cutler had two franchises built around him & Rivers has had at least two teams built around him, the last two/three years has been a rebuilding process for them more or less. They've been losing a lot of talent on both sides of the ball & not really doing a good job of replacing it.
My point was more about the teams/situations than age. Both are on teams that were/are rebuilding offensively where as Schaub has already been here several years and had the team built around him. We got the receivers, backs and...sort of an offensive line (think we screwed the pooch here). Well, Cutler actually has the offense around him now so more comparable. He has little to no excuse and will be gone if he doesn't keep up the progress. So he's in a make it or break it situation and hasn't earned anything still to this point.
Originally Posted by thunderkyss
My personal opinion is that for the last 5 games, Matt has been trying to come out of that conservative shell that we don't like. I think there are two ways to go from here.
- Schaub can push forward & continue to try to make plays & the rest of the team step up. This means he continues to push his comfort level & take more chances. He'll continue to make mistakes, there will be more INTs to come, most likely some pick 6es.
I know at one time we said we were ok with that. With a dominant run game, a dominant defense, & a bad ass punter, we should be able to overcome mistakes made by an aggressive offense.
- Schaub goes back to his old ways & the rest of the team step up. Very unpopular opinion, but Schaub played his average game against the Patriots in the divisional round. Foster (the OL) & the defense didn't step up the way we needed them to.
Schaub is definitely an anchor, slowing us down.... but not so much that he's holding us back. Well, if he remains as mistake prone as he's been this year he'll be holding us back if the defense doesn't stop allowing 70+ yard TD scoring drives & the run game can't keep us out of 3rd & long (penalties got us against SF moreso than the run game). But I'm blindly hoping he cuts way back on the turn overs.
Pleas don't think I'm absolving Schaub of any mistakes, blame, or responsibility. I've given up on him being better than he is. Realistically if the rest of the team does not step up, we don't have a chance. Schaub is Schaub. "Fixing" Schaub isn't going to get us "Peyton Manning" it's going to get us regular season Joe Flacco.
Nothing wrong with your list. Scary thing about it is that basically the rest of the team has to be damn near flawless or play a very balanced game for Schaub to have success. It is probably one of the issues but nothing we can do about it. But yeah I agree. Best chance we have to stay alive is to fall back and go conservative mode. At least that way the games can be close instead of these double digit losses that are happening far too often lately. It will also keep the team from getting over demoralized by another bad play/situation.
Schaub is definitely who he is at this point. I say let him toss it 20-25 times and run the hell out of Foster/Tate. Will be interesting to see what Kubiak's approach will be this game. That whole 'cut loose' idea wasn't the best gameplan in my opinion. I expected them to scale back a bit and let him get his head right. To say his body language on the sideline spoke volumes would be an understatement.