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Old 10-09-2013   #121
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The Rams may be terrible, but, we are forgetting they are coached by a guy who knows this team very, very well...
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All I can say is that it better be a short f'n leash that Mr. Pick Six is on or I won't tune in until we have a new QB. I will support the team and root for them as there is still plenty of season left, but Schaub needs to at least sit and get his damn head straight for a couple of games and then if earned get another shot.

He needs to be sent to Rick's Office to sign a new contract as well. QB's with 30 million guaranteed dollars shouldn't be in the record books for most pick six games in a row.
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Very disappointed, but not surprised Schaub is starting this week.
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Real life is that 32 teams passed on Case Keenum 7 times. 3 teams decided to add Ryan Lindley, B.J. Coleman, & Chandler Harnish to their program in lieu of Case Keenum. Two of which probably know a good QB when they see one, Green Bay & Indy.

Your reasoning doesn't fit with real life.
Real life is that 32 teams also passed 7 times on Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, John Randal, James Harrison, London Fletcher, Arian Foster, Wes Welker, Brian Waters, Adam Vinitiri, Priest Holmes, Rod Smith, Jeff Saturday, Victor Cruz.

So being passed over by every team in the draft does not mean you can not play and play very well.
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So being passed over by every team in the draft does not mean you can not play and play very well.
No, but it mean you wait your turn.
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No, but it mean you wait your turn.
That thinking process is beyond dated and asinine. Kinda like these old dinosaurs in congress who think pot is a dangerous drug. Did I miss something in preseason that I'm not seeing? Sure, TJ could get out of the pocket and complete a pass on the run. But Case, those TDs to Jean, hitting WRs in stride, and the back of the end zone throw to Griffin in Dallas. I could never see Matt or TJ make those.
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Did I miss something in preseason that I'm not seeing?
It seems you missed the fact that it was preseason.
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It seems you missed the fact that it was preseason.
Oh right, because surrounding him with the talent we have on 1st string could never be positive and those big, bullying 1st string defenses would intercept every pass. What was I thinking..
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we can't win a playoff game with schaub. I know kubiak will stick with him. both must go.
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Real life is that 32 teams also passed 7 times on Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, John Randal, James Harrison, London Fletcher, Arian Foster, Wes Welker, Brian Waters, Adam Vinitiri, Priest Holmes, Rod Smith, Jeff Saturday, Victor Cruz.
You don't want to go down this road. The number of UDFAs that never amounted to anything is far greater than the number of UDFAs that were able to carve out an NFL career.

I am not saying that it is impossible that Keenum becomes a legit NFL player... but it is highly unlikely.

Personally, I doubt it happens. I was not impressed with him in college, and while he looked good in pre-season- it was pre-season. However, I actually want him to get some playing time (soon), as I am excited by the fact that there are two possible outcomes- 1) Keenum is the god that the UofH fans believe, and the Texans' QB problems are thus solved, or 2) Keenum shows that he is nothing special, and the UofH fans shut up about him. Either way, I win.
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I am not saying that it is impossible that Keenum becomes a legit NFL player... but it is highly unlikely.

Personally, I doubt it happens.
I think it can happen. Kubiak made Schaub a starter sight unseen. He's made Schaub a pretty successful NFL QB. I think he can do just as much with Keenum when Keenum's ready.

It doesn't make sense that Keenum went undrafted, but Kubiak is the only HC who saw enough in him to give him a shot, then saw enough to put him on the roster.

But now he's an idjit because he won't play him. If Keenum is going to see real playing time in the NFL, it's going to be because Kubiak gives him the oportunity. Kubiak may be married to Schaub, but Keenum is married to Kubiak.

If Kubiak is not here next season, Keenum most likely isn't either. That's reality. Doesn't make sense. His talent is obvious to all of us. I'm not being sarcastic here. But every year there is a flood of potential entering the league every year & Keenum is going to fade away in that sea of potential. So I understand the sense of urgency the fanbois have. For them, it's now or never.
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The Rams may be terrible, but, we are forgetting they are coached by a guy who knows this team very, very well...
In this very over-blown, over-zealous hatred for Schaub and Kubiak coupled with the fact that the Texans (irrespective of the fact they should whip St. Louis), this is a really good point. Fisher knows the Texans very well.

While I expect a win, the point about "Porn 'stache (who went grey goatee guy)" is a very valid point. His defenses have always played the Texans well.
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You don't want to go down this road. The number of UDFAs that never amounted to anything is far greater than the number of UDFAs that were able to carve out an NFL career.

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This also applies to players that are drafted far more of them amount to nothing than ones that do.
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This also applies to players that are drafted far more of them amount to nothing than ones that do.
But the percentages are different. You random first rounder will be better than your random UDFA a vast majority of the time (provided the sample size is large enough). Same thing goes with UDFA vs. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders. Granted, the further down you get in the draft the less of a difference there is, but the basic point stands.
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The SL Lambs stink and we will probably beat them. Unfortunately, te Kool-Aid drinkers & Kubiak will say we got the ship righted now. I think we should cut bait now.
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But the percentages are different. You random first rounder will be better than your random UDFA a vast majority of the time (provided the sample size is large enough). Same thing goes with UDFA vs. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders. Granted, the further down you get in the draft the less of a difference there is, but the basic point stands.
I'm not saying you are wrong just that even some UDFAs have value even if no one thought enough to draft. Saying that UDFAs should have to wait their turn is nonsense. If the person has proven to be better than what you have you play them no matter when they were or were not drafted.
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If Kubiak is not here next season, Keenum most likely isn't either. That's reality. Doesn't make sense. His talent is obvious to all of us. I'm not being sarcastic here. But every year there is a flood of potential entering the league every year & Keenum is going to fade away in that sea of potential. So I understand the sense of urgency the fanbois have. For them, it's now or never.
That is exactly it. There won't be a next year for Keenum unless he proves what he has this season. I don't think anyone would care if he just got a few games and ended up playing really poorly. NO ONE has suggested that it is for sure that Keenum will open up the scoreboard or anything, but with his arm and his mobility and the recent successes of a lot of young QB's leads a lot of spectators room to believe that Keenum just might be one of those diamond in the rough players out there. We need to see though.
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That is exactly it. There won't be a next year for Keenum unless he proves what he has this season. I don't think anyone would care if he just got a few games and ended up playing really poorly. NO ONE has suggested that it is for sure that Keenum will open up the scoreboard or anything, but with his arm and his mobility and the recent successes of a lot of young QB's leads a lot of spectators room to believe that Keenum just might be one of those diamond in the rough players out there. We need to see though.
The thing about it is that if this "decision" was about saving his job, well my job if I were Kubiak, I'd go with Case now. Especially if he had any reason to be suspicious of Matt's foot.

Sure, CnD knew about the foot, but obviously the Texans' doctors don't. I'd blame his foot anyway, say "How was I supposed to know? We rolled the dice & it came up snake eyes."

Then go with Keenum. The fans would have sympothy for him, McNair would understand. He can still bring in a QB in the off-season to "compete" with Keenum.

Of course, Kubiak may think he has time to play the Keenum card. Still, if there was any question about his foot, now would be the time.
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The thing about it is that if this "decision" was about saving his job, well my job if I were Kubiak, I'd go with Case now. Especially if he had any reason to be suspicious of Matt's foot.

Sure, CnD knew about the foot, but obviously the Texans' doctors don't. I'd blame his foot anyway, say "How was I supposed to know? We rolled the dice & it came up snake eyes."

Then go with Keenum. The fans would have sympothy for him, McNair would understand. He can still bring in a QB in the off-season to "compete" with Keenum.

Of course, Kubiak may think he has time to play the Keenum card. Still, if there was any question about his foot, now would be the time.
It's more than the foot it's just simply really really bad decisions by Matt. There is no way Case starts over TJ guys, it'll be TJ up and only if TJ gets hurt and Matt comes in and plays horribly does Case get his shot.
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Im to the point of being numb to this entire season. I don't care who starts anymore. The excitement is just gone.
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