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Old 10-07-2013   #1221
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Schaub has 4 pick-6 INT's in last 4 games. Schaub has the same amount of TD passes to Andre Johnson over the last 36 games.
So you're saying Schaub does throw TD passes.
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What is with you guys and this "experience" nonsense when it comes to Yates? Yates has one half a season, and you guys throw this around as if he is some 8 year vet that has been in multiple playoff seasons with huge performances on his belt. In that half season he had horrible pedestrian numbers and threw nothing but check downs. His experience showed that he was nothing but backup material.

And the whole "experience" thing is really overrated any way. Random QB's have popped up and had success quickly around this league for years. Warner had instant success, Rodgers had instant success, Wilson as a rookie had instant success, Kaepernick did as well. Hell, that guy from Cleveland (Hoyer) was tossing the ball around with those garbage weapons before he recently got injured. The league has made it easier for a bigger variety of QB's to be successful with the spread options working consistently. Experience is extremely overplayed here.
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I agree 100%. Based on what all you "experience " guys say you never make a change. Experience is only ONE factor and it really could be NO factor if you never learn anything. For some it is a brand new day every day. I think MS is at a point that even if he has an advantage in experience his physical skills are so debilitating that it doesn't matter.

TJ looks so much like Matt it is scary. Stats in preseason looked very similar between TJ and Case but the eyes said a different story. I remember at least two great long passes caught in stride that Case made. It very well may occur that Case is not ready but why not find out. I still am for either making all 3 active or preferably MS inactive so that we see TJ and Case play.
Two additional counterpoints to the whole "Yates has more experience" argument:

1. Schaub has ten years of experience. Is that helping him?

2. No one has any NFL game "film" on Keenum. That means no defense really knows what to expect from him (of course, neither do we) which, for a while, could work to his advantage. Defenses will have to play him honest until they get a bead on what his strengths and weaknesses are. Or they could blitz like crazy and hope he gets rattled. But that's what draw plays and screens and 3-step drop plays are for.

Time to find out what the kid can do.
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so in other words, you want to prolong the inevitable.

Dont like how we handled Foster. I would much rather have figured out that Foster was better than steve slaton instead of having to find out through injury.

Imagine if steve slaton didnt get injured. We might never have seen foster.
Understand the "inevitable" is going after a qb in the 1st round....that's what pretty much every team does when they need to badly upgrade a position & the FA market sucks...

Letting Keenum get some live bullets in without actually forfeiting this current season isn't prolonging anything...If anything it's protecting him. Because it wouldn't be fair to the kid to throw him in there & put the pressure on him of having to try & save this season. Give that to the guy who's already had that pressure on him & has been in the system long enough to where he should be improved from his performance on his rookie year....Yates.

If Yates fails, then it's extremely likely that the season is lost anyway & then that is when you go with Keenum to "see".

But as i said in another post....short of him lighting it up, his performance should in no way preventing us from doing the "inevitable".
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OK, simple question for those of you who seem to have some agenda against Keenum:

What does Schaub do better than Keenum, right now?

Arm strength: Keenum showed he can make all the throws in the preseason and showed he had zip on the ball. Whenever I read someone saying Keenum doesn't have an NFL arm, I immediately write them off as having any opinion worth listening to. The tape is out there. The guy can sling it just fine. He doesn't have Favre's arm, but he's as good or better than Schaub.

Mobility: Not even really going into this, because it's evident for all to see that Schaub has zero mobility. We don't need a running QB, but one who can move around a little and do roll-outs that don't go backward would be nice.

Decision Making: Well, 9 INTs on the season, at least 6 of which have led directly to TDs, and I think we can throw that one out.

Accuracy: Ties into the last comment, but Schaub has been horribly inaccurate, even on completions. This is why completion percentage doesn't tell the tale. AJ has had to grow a foot this season just to haul in Schaub's passes. The receivers have no shot at getting YAC because of Schaub's inaccuracy. He's behind, too low, or too high, but almost never where the ball needs to be. Yeah, I know what back shoulder throws are and I'm not talking about those.

Experience: Yes, Schaub has a lot more. It sure doesn't translate to much, huh?

What does Schaub do better than Keenum? Serious question.
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What does Schaub do better than Keenum? Serious question.
I think it should be obvious to anyone something is horribly wrong with our offense, and it starts with both Kubiak and Schaub. Schaub just isn't who he used to be. We all know this, we all remember those years when the defense sucked and he'd be throwing TDs in the 2nd half, enough to win the game, but the defense would then suck it up as much as the offense is doing now. We've all seen Schaub at his best, but it may be over with now. If that truly is the case, there isn't any arguments against starting either Keenum or Yates instead of Schaub.
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I think it should be obvious to anyone something is horribly wrong with our offense, and it starts with both Kubiak and Schaub. Schaub just isn't who he used to be. We all know this, we all remember those years when the defense sucked and he'd be throwing TDs in the 2nd half, enough to win the game, but the defense would then suck it up as much as the offense is doing now. We've all seen Schaub at his best, but it may be over with now. If that truly is the case, there isn't any arguments against starting either Keenum or Yates instead of Schaub.
everyone is squatting on those underneath crossing routes. We don't stretch the field vertically enough....hell, Andre has the same amount of TD's the last two years as opposing defenses in this plodding, tired old offense. Weak arm plus hard head coach. Bad combo.
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I have yet to see a valid reason why Keenum should not get a shot. The objections to him that I've read and heard are all assumed limitations with no supporting examples. What has been proven is that he can do things that Schaub and Yates cannot do.

For the record, I'm a Longhorn, not a Cougar, and I was against VY going to the Texans.
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When you are tied at the hip to a sinking Matt Schaub, you will do anything to prove there isnt a hole in the boat.

I dont know what is going on in Schaub's head, but he is killing this team. And Kubiak cant seem to fix it. How much of our season is he going to use to figure that out?
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Beyond the comparisons, what skills does he himself bring to the table at this point?

You had announcers on a national stage, Sunday night f'n football, taking bets on who'd score on our last drive before the half.

Michaels ended up going 53/47 texans.

How embarrassing is that?
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I want to see keenum and Yates simply because I want to give them a shot to be starters before we go out and grab a qb in the first.

I don't know if either would become legit great qb's, but hell, might as well give them a shot.
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Let's trade Schaub for Eli Manning straight up. Both QBs need a change of scenery.
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I have yet to see a valid reason why Keenum should not get a shot. The objections to him that I've read and heard are all assumed limitations with no supporting examples. What has been proven is that he can do things that Schaub and Yates cannot do.

For the record, I'm a Longhorn, not a Cougar, and I was against VY going to the Texans.
I can offer one valid reason.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtYKtUT4WDU

Not to discredit Case, but this was a powerful moment and is hard to dismiss as a justification to give TJ a shot instead of Case. You speak of things Case can do that Schaub and Yates can't, however, that moment bears significant weight.

I have not seen Case play ever, except for preseason NFL games, which is VERY difficult to put any stock in. But to read into the Keenum supporters, if his skillset is as deserving a shot as it's made out to be, then I can assume that Keenum has been 3rd string out of Kubiak's Loyalty to #8 and #13, which if has any truth to it, doesn't bode well for Case does it?

The prospect of Case being an Arian Foster type of undrafted talent is intriguing to me, personally, as I've seen nothing to suggest that TJ is to the QB position what Arian is to the RB position. But I'm inclined to think Houston fans can't be lucky enough to see lightening strike twice like that in such close proximity. Would I love to see that theory proven wrong? YES
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actually its prolonging the situation.

If you stick with schaub, you're not winning the superbowl. you cant really beat elite teams in the playoffs.

So that means this season wasted. So lets assume kubiak actually had the balls to make a change in the offseason, and go with tj yates, does he give him a full year to prove himself? Does Kubiak go schaub on Yates and we give him what one or two years to prove himself? then what? we go to case keenum? he's either the god 2nd coming of drew brees like a lot of posters claim him to be or what if he's a bust? do we give him a couple of years to prove it?

How many years have we wasted?

Keenum showed great talent at u of h. broke passing records. he played great during preseason and basically beat out a fellow young qb who had game and playoff experience and has been immersed in this offense for years.

Dont those things show talent? Dont those things warrant a chance to show what he can do in a regular season game?

As for protecting a qb, how many rookie qbs have started and shown competence? Keenum has been playing a lot of football. he has a lot of reps. If he implodes we can go to tj yates who also warrants a second look.

Its not like keenum or yates is a #1 overall first round draft pick where they have that command status for a lot of leeway. If he's just totally incompetent we go with yates. IF both are just crapping the bed we go back to schaub whose had time to sit, reflect, and gather his thoughts.

Its not like schaub is some first ballot superstar qb that was playing great that you couldnt bench him and go back to him.
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so is this your attempt to prove my post wrong?

Or is this a way for you to pretend to save face because you cant come up with a proper response?

Good job. you really proved me wrong with your elaborate and well thought out response.


Your post doesnt make sense on multiple levels and your reading comprehension is staggeringly inept....my response was my way of helping you to save face as i was just gonna drop it....obviously you didnt take the hint.....but then again, based on your posts on this topic, cant say im surprised.
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One of the first questions to ask the next QB is what number is he going to wear? If the guy says number 8 we move on. That number is forever cursed.
we could be the first team that has some sort of bizarro number retirement shrine where nobody can use it going forward. We can put Tony Boselli's jersey in the shrine.
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I have yet to see a valid reason why Keenum should not get a shot. The objections to him that I've read and heard are all assumed limitations with no supporting examples. What has been proven is that he can do things that Schaub and Yates cannot do.

For the record, I'm a Longhorn, not a Cougar, and I was against VY going to the Texans.
College and preseason play is weak "proof" of his ability to do things that Yates and Schaub cannot.

But again, I'm all aboard the start Keenum train because I will be happy if he wins for us and I'll be happy if all this unfounded Keenum love stops. I'm adopting a wait and watch policy on him. I don't think he is as special as many posters here think he is, but if he really and truly is then this team is better for it, and that's all that matters at the end of the day.
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Christ, I really hope Kubes puts in Keenum so either we win or this insufferable Keenum love just stops. I'd be happy with either situation.
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I'm all for Keenum if he can lead us to the SB. I don't see any reason not to give Yates two or three games now though cause I don't think the SB is happening this season either way.
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College and preseason play is weak "proof" of his ability to do things that Yates and Schaub cannot.

But again, I'm all aboard the start Keenum train because I will be happy if he wins for us and I'll be happy if all this unfounded Keenum love stops. I'm adopting a wait and watch policy on him. I don't think he is as special as many posters here think he is, but if he really and truly is then this team is better for it, and that's all that matters at the end of the day.
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