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Old 10-06-2013   #1201
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It's easier for you to assume these things because they sure are rare.
Exactly my point....its extremely unlikely that keenum is going to be any better than Yates.....And people wanting to see him just b/c he's the unknown commodity isnt a good enough reason to start him over Yates imo....not while we still have something to play for anyway..

I dont have a problem with him getting his shot, i just dont think that he shouldn't have it before We get a real good look at TJ to see if he can at least be a stop gap guy.....short of yates or keenum absolutely lighting it up, we should go qb in the 1st round regardless and hit camp next year with the qb job open.
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Kubiak has announced that Schaub will start next week.

Fisher's Rams got excited. At least the DBs did.

Granted, this could still change.
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Kubiak has announced that Schaub will start next week.

Fisher's Rams got excited. At least the DBs did.

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Exactly my point....its extremely unlikely that keenum is going to be any better than Yates.....And people wanting to see him just b/c he's the unknown commodity isnt a good enough reason to start him over Yates imo....not while we still have something to play for anyway..

I dont have a problem with him getting his shot, i just dont think that he shouldn't have it before We get a real good look at TJ to see if he can at least be a stop gap guy.....short of yates or keenum absolutely lighting it up, we should go qb in the 1st round regardless and hit camp next year with the qb job open.
If you're making a QB change, which means you've pretty much given up on the season, then I would rather see Case, whether he's better than Yates or not. Yates isn't taking you anywhere. Yates isn't better than Schaub and we know where the Schaub train is going. Should have traded TJ when you had the chance.

Now, Case may not take you anywhere either, but like I said, if the change is made, the season is lost anyway. Might as well see if the guy can play or not.
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Kubiak has announced that Schaub will start next week.
I don't understand this. What possible benefit can we gain by proclaiming he is the starter next week?

I'm glad to see that he was finally benched, but if it had any effect on him at all, you just ruined it by naming him the starter for next week already.

I've got to hear the rest of the speech, but I'd have liked it if he just said, "We're going to evaluate the situation."
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If you're making a QB change, which means you've pretty much given up on the season, then I would rather see Case, whether he's better than Yates or not. Yates isn't taking you anywhere. Yates isn't better than Schaub and we know where the Schaub train is going. Should have traded TJ when you had the chance.

Now, Case may not take you anywhere either, but like I said, if the change is made, the season is lost anyway. Might as well see if the guy can play or not.
I disagree, we're only giving up on the season if we start the guy who doesnt have any starting experience under his belt not the guy who already has 1 playoff win under his belt.....we can at least strive for that with him b/c he's done it before.

With Keenum, we'd basically be holding a season long try out for the qb position for next year...
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Schaub's comments are disgusting. What is all this "we" stuff?

Guys are about to start turning on Schaub.
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Schaub's comments are disgusting. What is all this "we" stuff?
I thought he had a mouse in his pocket.


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Whether they are or not, we're going to start hearing about them.
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As much as we get frustrated by Kubiak's conservative offense sometimes, sadly all we needed was for Schaub to be Alex Smith this year. We have a top defense + running game and the best punter in the league (history?) to play the field position game. All he had to do was not make stupid decisions and screw up basic reads.

I can't believe I'm saying a pro QB should be like Alex Smith, the definition of mediocre and game manager, but Schaub can't even do that~! I have no doubt that we'd be at least 4-1 and a playoff team if he could just manage not to spot the other team 7 every game. We're lucky to have even beaten the Bengals and Schaub's ginger cousin Andy Dalton last year because of his horrible pick 6.

Do I believe we would be a legit SB contender playing that style or that the Chiefs have a shot this year? Most likely no, but it has to be less frustrating than what's going on so far. Only positive I can see is if hopefully it forces a change and saves us from another year under Schaub...
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why not? why cant keenum battle it out vs yates in practice and them split reps vs the first string defense?

yates has regular and playoff reps under his belt, he has multiple years of experience with this offense yet he couldnt separate his play from keenum who just got here in preseason.

that should tell you right there who has the upside and potential and it at least warrants yates beat out keenum in practice reps vs 1st team defense.

What's the problem with proving it and earning it?

Freaking hate this mentality of hey schaubs been starter lets keep going with him just cuz huurr durrrr.

its just retarded.
First of all, Keenum is in his 2nd year in this system as well....just b/c he was on the practice squad last year doesn't mean he wasn't supposed to be learning the offense as well..

2nd of all, the bolded works both ways...you look at it as Yates didn't separate himself from Keenum just b/c Yates is the incumbent....well Keenum didn't exactly definitively separate himself from Yates in preseason either.

& i don't have a problem with the whole pratice reps thing you suggest. But are we really trusting our HC to make the honest evaluation of who should win the starting spot? His fatal flaw is he's loyal to a fault....
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The chorus of " boo's" that will rain down on Schaub this Sunday will be the equivalent of the thumbs down in Rome's colisseum, only difference Schaub won't be dismembered for our viewing pleasure.
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I disagree, we're only giving up on the season if we start the guy who doesnt have any starting experience under his belt not the guy who already has 1 playoff win under his belt.....we can at least strive for that with him b/c he's done it before.

With Keenum, we'd basically be holding a season long try out for the qb position for next year...
What is with you guys and this "experience" nonsense when it comes to Yates? Yates has one half a season, and you guys throw this around as if he is some 8 year vet that has been in multiple playoff seasons with huge performances on his belt. In that half season he had horrible pedestrian numbers and threw nothing but check downs. His experience showed that he was nothing but backup material.

And the whole "experience" thing is really overrated any way. Random QB's have popped up and had success quickly around this league for years. Warner had instant success, Rodgers had instant success, Wilson as a rookie had instant success, Kaepernick did as well. Hell, that guy from Cleveland (Hoyer) was tossing the ball around with those garbage weapons before he recently got injured. The league has made it easier for a bigger variety of QB's to be successful with the spread options working consistently. Experience is extremely overplayed here.
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all it takes is one tweet, a cell phone video, an instagram picture.
After Vandermeer's acc't got hacked I refuse to believe anything I see tweeted.
Ever again.
If a player has something to say, then he ought to man up and step in front of the cameras.
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What Qb after starting his career as a back up, being traded to another team, starting and enjoying success, then being benched after throwing 4 straight pick 6's, went on to post-season success and Super Bowl glory?
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What is with you guys and this "experience" nonsense when it comes to Yates? Yates has one half a season, and you guys throw this around as if he is some 8 year vet that has been in multiple playoff seasons with huge performances on his belt. In that half season he had horrible pedestrian numbers and threw nothing but check downs. His experience showed that he was nothing but backup material.

And the whole "experience" thing is really overrated any way. Random QB's have popped up and had success quickly around this league for years. Warner had instant success, Rodgers had instant success, Wilson as a rookie had instant success, Kaepernick did as well. Hell, that guy from Cleveland (Hoyer) was tossing the ball around with those garbage weapons before he recently got injured. The league has made it easier for a bigger variety of QB's to be successful with the spread options working consistently. Experience is extremely overplayed here.
I agree 100%. Based on what all you "experience " guys say you never make a change. Experience is only ONE factor and it really could be NO factor if you never learn anything. For some it is a brand new day every day. I think MS is at a point that even if he has an advantage in experience his physical skills are so debilitating that it doesn't matter.

TJ looks so much like Matt it is scary. Stats in preseason looked very similar between TJ and Case but the eyes said a different story. I remember at least two great long passes caught in stride that Case made. It very well may occur that Case is not ready but why not find out. I still am for either making all 3 active or preferably MS inactive so that we see TJ and Case play.
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What is with you guys and this "experience" nonsense when it comes to Yates? Yates has one half a season, and you guys throw this around as if he is some 8 year vet that has been in multiple playoff seasons with huge performances on his belt. In that half season he had horrible pedestrian numbers and threw nothing but check downs. His experience showed that he was nothing but backup material.

And the whole "experience" thing is really overrated any way. Random QB's have popped up and had success quickly around this league for years. Warner had instant success, Rodgers had instant success, Wilson as a rookie had instant success, Kaepernick did as well. Hell, that guy from Cleveland (Hoyer) was tossing the ball around with those garbage weapons before he recently got injured. The league has made it easier for a bigger variety of QB's to be successful with the spread options working consistently. Experience is extremely overplayed here.
All those qb's either run offenses tailored to their skill set or gimmicky packages that do the same, have incrementally better coaches to guide them along or have been in the league for years & started or at least played in 1 regular season game before they got the nod....

None of which are in play in this situation here. Kubes ain't gonna all of a sudden start running spread packages exclusively for Keenum like he did at UH...He ain't gonna incorporate a zone read package to utilize his mobility and he ain't gonna all of a sudden start being aggressive with his play calling.

He'll likely smother Keenum until he becomes as robotic as Schaub is/was.
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how many regular season games and playoff games does keenum have compared to yates?

how many years has keenum been a member of an nfl 53 man roster compared to yates?

i mean yates was already running this offense in college yet he couldnt outright beat out an undrafted and undersized qb.
& the bolded more than anything should tell you how difficult it is to have success in this league....
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What is with you guys and this "experience" nonsense when it comes to Yates? .
There are only two starting QBs in the league right now that started their careers as back ups.

Tony Romo & Matt Schaub.
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yea if you dont have any balls to make bold moves and not even give yourself a chance to find out.
We can find out....once the season is lost...much how we handled Arian...
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Schaub has 4 pick-6 INT's in last 4 games. Schaub has the same amount of TD passes to Andre Johnson over the last 36 games.
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