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Old 10-04-2013   #1061
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Uh..... y'all said the same thing about HHWNWBM. I told y'all he was creating those sacks. I remember saying if you've changed out all five positions, some more than once.... it's probably not the OL.

That said, comparing Schaub to Carr is a bit premature, though we're getting closer to that. I mentioned in another thread the "most blitzed QB in the NFL" stat is telling. He's not beating the blitz & DCs feel the rewards of blitzing him are well worth the risk (6 points).

He's got to fix that. No one else can. Throwing 2 yards short of the sticks doesn't help his cause. It only makes it worse.

Pushing the score, converting 3rd downs.... those have got to become more important to Matt Schaub than they are now. Sure, he's not a duma55, he knows they're important. But when we're down by 2 scores in the 4th qtr, like the Chargers game, it's like Defcom5 for Matt. He needs that sense of urgency when we've just scored 14 points on the best defense in the NFL & they just fumbled the ball on their own 19 yard line.

He's got to believe a TD there would have knocked the wind out of the Seahawks, & kicking them when they're down is the most humane thing he could do (as opposed to the long agonizing effects of letting them back in the game & letting his team down).

Then if the Seahawks still have a little spunk in them, he's got to resolve to do it again, & again, & again until the clock reads 0:00
Do you really think he doesn't? Do you really think it is only h\up to him what happens? That if he has enough will power it will happen just the way he envisions it no matter what happens with the blocking up front, or people dropping passes? Do you honestly believe he thinks "man a FG here would be kewl"?? You can't be serious. Schaub, like any QB needs help for that to happen. He cannot do it on his own.
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Do you really think he doesn't? Do you really think it is only h\up to him what happens? That if he has enough will power it will happen just the way he envisions it no matter what happens with the blocking up front, or people dropping passes? Do you honestly believe he thinks "man a FG here would be kewl"?? You can't be serious. Schaub, like any QB needs help for that to happen. He cannot do it on his own.
Why are you still asking this question? I've been saying exactly that for the last three days. Sure... it's a team game, someone's got to catch the ball, well, we've got one of the best in the game & we got Matt a shiny new toy. Sure, the OL has to do their job. But when they pay the guys on the other side of the ball from stopping you from doing what you want to do, you just have to be better than they are.

The examples I gave you in the other thread (or maybe this thread, I don't know) Matt did 90% of what he needed to do. He just needs to finish.

Remember when Antonio was always getting close, but never finishing? Well our defense got better when he started finishing, when he was setting career high sack counts year after year (2011 was a career year, 2012 was a career year)... well we need Matt to be better than he's ever been before. We need him to have a career year, to go where we want to go & do what we want to do.

We need him to finish those plays.

There was one, where he got out of the pocket, & threw what would have been a 3rd down conversion to Martin. That's not on him. maybe the ball could have been better thrown, but Martin had an opportunity to make a play..... that's all I'm asking Matt to do.

After the Lynch fumble, & Matt scrambled to his left & threw it out of bounds... no one had a chance to make a play but him & he didn't. He could have put the jump ball up for DeAndre, or if he'd have looked around he'd have seen Andre in the back of the end zone.

I'm not asking him to move mountains, I'm just asking for another 10%

Hopefully, that's what he's talking about when he says he's going to cut it lose. That he's going to give Andre an opportunity to beat that deep coverage. Or give DeAndre an opportunity to stab that dagger in Seattles heart.

That was a great catch Baldwin made to keep that drive alive...... yes, the only catch he made in the game. Had Matt been his QB he never would have thrown that ball, Baldwin never would have had the opportunity to make that catch.

Now... don't come back at me with that wounded duck he threw that Sherman took. Yes he gave Owen an opportunity to make a play, I like that. But he did so out of frustration. We don't make good decisions when we're frustrated.
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The Texans do need to do a better job on protection (and that include the TE and the backs); however, the D has generated more pressure on opposing QBs (except Rivers).

Schaub didn't lose the last game by himself, that's for sure, but he didn't do enough to win the game. He didn't pull his weight; and that's the bottom line.
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The Texans do need to do a better job on protection (and that include the TE and the backs); however, the D has generated more pressure on opposing QBs (except Rivers).

Schaub didn't lose the last game by himself, that's for sure, but he didn't do enough to win the game. He didn't pull his weight; and that's the bottom line.
As more of the O is spread out to receive (TEs, RBs), Schaub has more receiving options, but doesn't/can't take advantage of it, since he can't seem to go through all the reads fast enough for the best choice, and seems to end up going straight to his favorite single target, throwing it away or eating it. If there are TEs/RBs held back to pass block, then he has less receiving targets, and he seemingly has increased tunnel vision on who he targets anyway.
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... well we need Matt to be better than he's ever been before. We need him to have a career year, to go where we want to go & do what we want to do.

We need him to finish those plays.
That's it. He has to do his job. The winning QBs in this league get the job done without excuses. No QB has a perfect team behind him. Schaub has to make this offense work as is. And frankly, he has more to work with than other QBs who are getting it done (Brady, Rivers, and Luck, for example).
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That's it. He has to do his job. The winning QBs in this league get the job done without excuses. No QB has a perfect team behind him. Schaub has to make this offense work as is. And frankly, he has more to work with than other QBs who are getting it done (Brady, Rivers, and Luck, for example).
Yeah , he has a hell of an offense around him , Foster & Tate. OD and Graham 80 and Hopkins.


No QB in the league has that much talent around him .... at least in my opinion.
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Yeah , he has a hell of an offense around him , Foster & Tate. OD and Graham 80 and Hopkins.


No QB in the league has that much talent around him .... at least in my opinion.
& he's got a bad as5 defense. Shouldn't have to score 30 points a week to win.
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& he's got a bad as5 defense. Shouldn't have to score 30 points a week to win.
When you put that into perspective - all the weapons around him and a very strong defense .... Its on Schaub. No more excuses.
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Despite all the big O stat numbers, while watching Schaub and the Texans, have you ever gotten the feeling that we're indeed always going somewhere, but still so often never quite seem to get there? Well, Pro-Football-Reference.com gives us a hint to why we may be getting that feeling. The Texans' percentage of drives leading to a score is a very unimpressive 28.8% (18th in NFL).

Compare that to:

1 Denver Broncos 52.0%
2 San Diego Chargers 46.5%
3 Indianapolis Colts 43.9%
4 Green Bay Packers 41.7%
5 New Orleans Saints 41.7%
6 Atlanta Falcons 40.5%
7 Seattle Seahawks 38.8%
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great stat doc, what is their red zone efficiency? Sure seems as field compresses the inability to extend plays from QB position costs points directly, number of hurries, sacks, bad throws, closed windows, ball security, list goes on & on
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Here is a scary hypothetical for everyone:

What would you do if Schaub throws a game killing Pick 6 this week?

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I would Kiffen him and leave him in San Fran for his own safety.
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Despite all the big O stat numbers, while watching Schaub and the Texans, have you ever gotten the feeling that we're indeed always going somewhere, but still so often never quite seem to get there? Well, Pro-Football-Reference.com gives us a hint to why we may be getting that feeling. The Texans' percentage of drives leading to a score is a very unimpressive 28.8% (18th in NFL).

Compare that to:

1 Denver Broncos 52.0%
2 San Diego Chargers 46.5%
3 Indianapolis Colts 43.9%
4 Green Bay Packers 41.7%
5 New Orleans Saints 41.7%
6 Atlanta Falcons 40.5%
7 Seattle Seahawks 38.8%
It's data that supports the crowd that's been telling us (for years it seems) that Schaub is good-to-very good between the twenties but not good in converting those fancy yardage and completion stats into points.

Hard to argue with the data.
Query: is this just for this season or over his career with the Texans?


Is it possible to have an offense that bends but doesn't break (into the endzone)?
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What would you do if Schaub throws a game killing Pick 6 this week?

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I would Kiffen him and leave him in San Fran for his own safety.
Watch and cheer them on next week.


The real question is what will Kubiak do?
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Yes Schaub is not the answer. I think everyone finally agrees with that. Well anyone with any sense. Still won't matter. Put whoever you want in. In the long run this system is going to hold back whoever is in there. When you are coached to be as conservative possible and your coach doesn't allow you to make play's or make adjustments to counter the defense eventually were going to end up right back here where we are with Schaub.


No matter whos in there Teams will just continue to give us the underneath stuff allowing us to rack up yards and on 2nd and 3rd and long apply pressure and key in on the check-down. Our only chance for success with this offense is if we have a very mobile QB that can create plays on his own when things breakdown.
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I would Kiffen him and leave him in San Fran for his own safety.
If he does, I would reevaluate who our best option at QB is and likely come to the depressing conclusion that, for this season at least, it's still Matt Schaub.

Fortunately, I doubt it happens. Even if it's a losing effort, Schaub will be laser focused on not throwing picks to the extent that it probably leads to more sacks and throw aways than we'd like to see. Regardless, nobody should complain about "the fetal position" after what happened last week when he forced a pass under pressure.
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great stat doc, what is their red zone efficiency? Sure seems as field compresses the inability to extend plays from QB position costs points directly, number of hurries, sacks, bad throws, closed windows, ball security, list goes on & on
[doesn't break it down to FG vs TD]

2012---------54.69%
-----home---------------50.00%
-----away----------------60.71%
last 3 games-------------40.00%

2013---------66.67%
------home--------------71.43%
------away---------------60.00%

BUT

last 3 games------55.56%
(last game---------33.33%)



Rush Play %-----37.75%
Pass Play %------62.25%
Completion %----65.54%
3D Conv %-------35.59%

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Yes Schaub is not the answer. I think everyone finally agrees with that. Well anyone with any sense. Still won't matter. Put whoever you want in. In the long run this system is going to hold back whoever is in there. When you are coached to be as conservative possible and your coach doesn't allow you to make play's or make adjustments to counter the defense eventually were going to end up right back here where we are with Schaub.


No matter whos in there Teams will just continue to give us the underneath stuff allowing us to rack up yards and on 2nd and 3rd and long apply pressure and key in on the check-down. Our only chance for success with this offense is if we have a very mobile QB that can create plays on his own when things breakdown.
You make a lot of assumptions here .... Assuming that Kubiak is holding back Schaub (or another QB) when it really could be the other way around , and when you consider Schaub's inadequacies - arm strength , lack of mobility and recent poor decision making .... can you blame the coach for a conservative plan when all signs point to the QB not being capable of more ?!
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You make a lot of assumptions here .... Assuming that Kubiak is holding back Schaub (or another QB) when it really could be the other way around , and when you consider Schaub's inadequacies - arm strength , lack of mobility and recent poor decision making .... can you blame the coach for a conservative plan when all signs point to the QB not being capable of more ?!
No you couldn't. Kubiak knows what he has in Schaub. He will be too much of a gentlemen to put a name to it or let you know..........until he is ready to replace Schaub on the field. His choice is getting less difficult with each game.
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You make a lot of assumptions here .... Assuming that Kubiak is holding back Schaub (or another QB) when it really could be the other way around , and when you consider Schaub's inadequacies - arm strength , lack of mobility and recent poor decision making .... can you blame the coach for a conservative plan when all signs point to the QB not being capable of more ?!
I'm not making any assumptions. Have you been under a rock since Kubiak got here? It's well documented how much Kubiak shackles Schaub. It's been that way since the beginning. If he was only doing it to cover up Schaubs inabilities then why the hell would he stick with him this long?
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