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Old 10-03-2013   #1021
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Option A. Run the ball strong side left.
Option B. Throw the ball to Graham cutting across the field, behind the weak side backer who had bought the run fake.
Option C. Throw the ball to the inside of OD.
Option D. Throw the ball directly to Sherman.
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that play he needs to be aware more that's what happens when u turn ur back to the D he didn't see that one Hawk come to the line to blitz


im over it tho I cant wait to watch dem Texans at 49ers this will be a really tough game has well man all the games are hard but I think these past weeks have been the toughest
Norg, the blitzer was there early; Schaub saw him alright...

Or should I say, Schaub was supposed to see him.
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Norg, the blitzer was there early; Schaub saw him alright...

Or should I say, Schaub was supposed to see him.


A former NFL QB doesnt agree with your assesment. Should someone on the line picked up the blitz?
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matt was 15th in 20+ plays and 14th in 40+ last year so Im not sure what you are putting him up against
There's a big difference between plays and passes.
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There's a big difference between plays and passes.


So tell me how you get the plays without passes? Certainly since everyone thinks we never attempt any we would have to attempt some number above the number of plays right?
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A former NFL QB doesnt agree with your assesment. Should someone on the line picked up the blitz?
With Newton engaged with the DE (he may as well have whiffed) and the run fake going the opposite direction ..... there isn't anyone to pick up the blitzer , Schaub has to make him miss or eat the sack.
With Schaub's cement shoes I think they are going to have to be much more creative with their protections.

Something I saw the Patriots do on a play action roll out last week was have the center pull & the rest of the OL block down the line as if it were a trap play but the center rolls with the QB picking up any defensive interference .... Brady had all freakin day to survey the field. Very well designed play by Belecheat ....
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"HATE"...?

Seriously???
Critique? Naturally.
Criticism? Of course.
Benching...? Perhaps.

...but Hate??
Really?
Hate is too strong of a word. How about severe dislike? Schaub's ****tiness has transcended anger and disappointment. At this point I just want him on the bench and as far away from the field as possible.
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A former NFL QB doesnt agree with your assesment. Should someone on the line picked up the blitz?
On a naked bootleg, there's always at least one free blitzer.
Even if there were two blitzers, it was on Schaub to check into the run play to the opposite side.
It's so simple; you have the defense loaded up on one side (the weak side in this case), it means you have more blockers on the other side.

When the QB decides to stay with the bootleg, it is up to him to deal with the blitzers. He's the one who made the final decision; he's the one that needs to execute the play. It is his own choosing; nobody forced him to do it, not the HC, not the OC, not the defense.
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With Newton engaged with the DE (he may as well have whiffed) and the run fake going the opposite direction ..... there isn't anyone to pick up the blitzer , Schaub has to make him miss or eat the sack.
With Schaub's cement shoes I think they are going to have to be much more creative with their protections.

Something I saw the Patriots do on a play action roll out last week was have the center pull & the rest of the OL block down the line as if it were a trap play but the center rolls with the QB picking up any defensive interference .... Brady had all freakin day to survey the field. Very well designed play by Belecheat ....


He should have t eaten the sack no doubt
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no he doesnt. not only does he not throw as much deep balls as those guys he doesnt complete them either.
Show us the stats (with a link please) that prove your assertion. Otherwise, you're making stuff up.
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I'm no Schaub fan. Never have been. But he's not this teams biggest problem. Hell he really doesn't even play QB. Kubiak does. Schaub is just a puppet. He's expected to go out there and be a robot.

Kubiaks rediculous tight reigns on the offense and stupid philosophy of ignoring the yard marker and "getting the ball to the playmakers and let the make plays" is what will prevent this team from ever reaching its potential.

Name another QB in the NFL that is as limited in what he's allowed to do at the LOS. It's ignorant to think this philosophy will work on the NFL level.
This is the easiest offense in the NFL to gameplan against. Just prevent big plays down field give us underneath stuff. Send pressure on third down and spy the check down.

This philosophy sucks!! Doesn't matter who the QB is as long as he has to play with his hands tied. Well at least if we played Keenam he would have a chance to make a play or two with his feet.
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So tell me how you get the plays without passes? Certainly since everyone thinks we never attempt any we would have to attempt some number above the number of plays right?
If a pass is 15 yards and the YAC is 10, that counts as a 25 yard play. That's how.
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If a pass is 15 yards and the YAC is 10, that counts as a 25 yard play. That's how.
Matt was 11th in air yards last year but this talk is slightly overrated anyhow


Peyton is behind Schaub this year

http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texa...-throwing-deep

Look where Brady and Rodgers dominant the attempts


http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...throw-the-ball
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It's sad that Gary cant trust Schaub to make the right decision on something as simple as what you've laid out in this post. Perhaps this is the reason Gary plays things conservatively 99% of the time. If so it's past time to look for a new QB. We can expect Gary to call a run play next time in this situation and that is what's wrong with this whole situation.


No, he doesn't know what he's watching. IMHO
I think there is a reason we rarely ran a 2 minute offense & the "sugar huddle" is a last resort. I'd like to think the problem is Matt, but he seems to thrive when he's in a rhythm.

When this team is pressing, we make mistakes. Whether it's a slew of RBs fumbling the ball, or errant passes, or batted balls, or a bunch of penalties. This offenses history when they're trying to push the tempo isn't all that great.

This year, we've done it a lot & it's been more successful than I would have guessed, but I worry when we play to fast.

I have no problem when we're managing our pace & playing ball control-eat the clock small ball. As long as we continue to push the score, increase our lead. I'm ok with field goals, depending on the opponent. If it's a "known" defense with a crappy offense. No biggie. If it's a crappy defense (New England) with a high powered offense.... TDs are a premium. If we get turnovers & a short field (30 yards or less) settling for a field goal undermines your desire to win (imo).
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With Newton engaged with the DE (he may as well have whiffed) and the run fake going the opposite direction ..... there isn't anyone to pick up the blitzer , Schaub has to make him miss or eat the sack.
With Schaub's cement shoes I think they are going to have to be much more creative with their protections.

Something I saw the Patriots do on a play action roll out last week was have the center pull & the rest of the OL block down the line as if it were a trap play but the center rolls with the QB picking up any defensive interference .... Brady had all freakin day to survey the field. Very well designed play by Belecheat ....
We had to do something similar last year. We didn't use a center, but the play side HB would come to put a wham block on the backside pursuant. Walter would do it often, but I've seen OD do it as well.

So far this year, looks like we're trying to push the front side as teams are really playing the cutback pretty honest. They're leaving all kinds of holes on the front side & Tate & Foster are taking advantage of it. I think that's also a reason Tate is looking better than Foster. Tate's quicker & likes to get the edge & turn the corner. Where Foster likes to read his blocks & shoot the gaps.
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When the QB decides to stay with the bootleg, it is up to him to deal with the blitzers. He's the one who made the final decision; he's the one that needs to execute the play. It is his own choosing; nobody forced him to do it, not the HC, not the OC, not the defense.
Agreed.

I think what got him, was that he was expecting that safety to stay on the receiver, he expected movement from him to adjust to Andre's motion.

He comes to the LoS & the defense he sees suggests man. Chancellor was about 7 or 8 yards off the LoS over the TE in the slot. When Andre motions inside the slot, Schaub looking out the corner of his eye expects the safety to come to the LoS to get a hand on Andre, or prevent OD from crossing inside & providing a natural pick for Andre.

So I think (no way to really tell & Matt will never say) Matt saw the safety start his motion to the LoS & then lost track of him. He never saw Chancellor open up towards the line, completely turning his back on Andre. If Schaub saw that, he would have recognized the blitz... no way he couldn't. Then he would have checked to the run.

Watching that play, you can't see the run lanes open suggesting we would have picked up the 4 yards. The TE approaches the MIKE like he's going to block, then breaks off into a route at the last minute. But if Matt would have signaled run, that would have been a good block & a big seam.

After reading your WCO instruction manual, I think I have a better understanding of the system. The audibles. It's all in the snap count. One word means the play called in the huddle, another means the back up play. So this, "Can't audible once the motion is called." is Kubiak falling on the sword. That motion is supposed to help Matt make the call. He just mis-read it.
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Agreed.

I think what got him, was that he was expecting that safety to stay on the receiver, he expected movement from him to adjust to Andre's motion.

He comes to the LoS & the defense he sees suggests man. Chancellor was about 7 or 8 yards off the LoS over the TE in the slot. When Andre motions inside the slot, Schaub looking out the corner of his eye expects the safety to come to the LoS to get a hand on Andre, or prevent OD from crossing inside & providing a natural pick for Andre.

So I think (no way to really tell & Matt will never say) Matt saw the safety start his motion to the LoS & then lost track of him. He never saw Chancellor open up towards the line, completely turning his back on Andre. If Schaub saw that, he would have recognized the blitz... no way he couldn't. Then he would have checked to the run.

Watching that play, you can't see the run lanes open suggesting we would have picked up the 4 yards. The TE approaches the MIKE like he's going to block, then breaks off into a route at the last minute. But if Matt would have signaled run, that would have been a good block & a big seam.

After reading your WCO instruction manual, I think I have a better understanding of the system. The audibles. It's all in the snap count. One word means the play called in the huddle, another means the back up play. So this, "Can't audible once the motion is called." is Kubiak falling on the sword. That motion is supposed to help Matt make the call. He just mis-read it.
The point of putting a man in motion is to see what the defense does. If you can't audible after seeing what the defense does, why bother?
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The point of putting a man in motion is to see what the defense does. If you can't audible after seeing what the defense does, why bother?
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What you're saying is pretty much what I said.
Absolutely. Believe it or else. LOL
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