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Old 10-01-2013   #61
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I think that Tate fumble turned the game around majorly. They were coasting up till that point then it became a game.
Tates fumble was the flint, Cushings injury was the spark, and everyone could smell it.
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it was when Tate fumbled not only was the potential points off the board from our O but we could have wasted like 7 mins off the clock


and that also gave the seahawks 3 points

it could have been 20 to 17 with 1 min two go on the clock :P



my point is there were many plays we LOST HAS A TEAM in all 3 phases pretty much
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it was when Tate fumbled not only was the potential points off the board from our O but we could have wasted like 7 mins off the clock
Did we have a 7 minute drive anywhere near that fumble?

I think we stopped moving the ball after Marshawn Lynch fumbled the football. Seattle's defense woke up & started turning the screws. That fumble was part of it.

We never crossed the 50 since halftime, including OT. Fumble or no, I don't think it was going to happen.
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I believe the crucial moment of the games was in the 4th quarter with 8:25 to play, 4th and 3 on the 7th yard line.

Russel scrambles we almost get him but he manages to get the 1st down and a play later Lynch scores. The score is now 20-13.

That right there gave them a huge momentum and put them back in the game, if we would have stopped them I believe we would have won this game.
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NVM the game was lost when its was like 2 minsleft 3 and 4



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Tates fumble was the flint, Cushings injury was the spark, and everyone could smell it.
How was that the flint when we were up 3 scores when he fumbled? All they got out of it was a FG and then we turn right back around and Jonathan Joseph gets an INT. I refuse give Tate any of the blame and give 75% of the blame to Kubiak for benching him and then calling a pass play when common sense said run and if you don't get it kick the ball and play defense. They defense played so well that game that they went from #2 to #1 defense...but I can't tell buy our record.
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Kubiak tried to give the game away? Was he the one who fumbled to give Seattle 3 points or the one who threw away 7 more? Or maybe it was him who gave up the 98 yard drive in the 4th? I see nothing Kubiak did, outside of maybe trusting his QB to throw a simple pass pay, to lose this game.
A good coach would know the weakness of his QB. He should have known the Seahawks would be coming anticipating a run play. To put his immobile, turtle tendency QB In that position is stupid.
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Nope, it was the pick 6. We could've gone in Kubiak conservative mode and won that game. The defense was playing well. Arian was running decent in that series. Keep feeding him instead of putting the ball in Schaubiak's hands

And for the love of Pete, why can't our QB read a NB blitz during pre-snap reads. It was obvious!!
Yep, and that is all on the coach.
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A good coach would know the weakness of his QB. He should have known the Seahawks would be coming anticipating a run play. To put his immobile, turtle tendency QB In that position is stupid.
Except the Seahawks were anticipating a pass. 3rd and 4 late in the game, a first down likely wins the game at this point. He put the game in the hands of a guy who has been his starting QB since 2007. Right or wrong I do not fault Kubiak for that. It is what we should expect him to do in that situation. We would still be upset if he decided to run it instead and they didn't get the first down and the Seahawks scored on their next possession. I fault the QB, not the coach, for not taking the sack in that situation.
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Except the Seahawks were anticipating a pass. 3rd and 4 late in the game, a first down likely wins the game at this point. He put the game in the hands of a guy who has been his starting QB since 2007. Right or wrong I do not fault Kubiak for that. It is what we should expect him to do in that situation. We would still be upset if he decided to run it instead and they didn't get the first down and the Seahawks scored on their next possession. I fault the QB, not the coach, for not taking the sack in that situation.
It was a series of bad decisions by the coach and the players that led to that play, and it is unfair to blame one person. I mean why is it that nobody is pointing out that Daniels effort to come up with the ball was weak? The ball was thrown accurately, but Sherman wanted the ball more than Daniels and simply pushed Daniels to the ground to intercept that ball. And for the record, Daniels weighs in at 249lbs and Sherman is listed at 195lbs.

The fact is that some around here would have even complained had the Texans won, so trying to be realistic is futile.
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I mean why is it that nobody is pointing out that Daniels effort to come up with the ball was weak? The ball was thrown accurately, but Sherman wanted the ball more than Daniels and simply pushed Daniels to the ground to intercept that ball. And for the record, Daniels weighs in at 249lbs and Sherman is listed at 195lbs.
I've mentioned it at least twice already. Daniels should not have been knocked out of the way. That was the second time a pass intended for OD was intercepted & returned for a TD. The third time a pass intended for OD was intercepted.

If that were Tom Brady or Peyton Manning..... maybe even Sanchez, the talk would be that the receiver has to help his QB out. Fight for the ball, or knock it down. Owen did neither.

as an aside.... that ball was not thrown accurately. It was thrown well enough for Owen to make a play on the ball..... almost perfectly for Owen & no one else, unless they were to knock Owen out of the way.
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Tim Hasselbeck on Mike & Mike in the Morning today had a broader take on what happened in the loss and what were the critical mistakes the Texans made.

He explains very clearly how the play call & formation contributed to Schaub's failure. And he rightfully calls out AJ & Nuk & KJ, too.

Worth a listen, starts at ~2 minutes: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id...espnapi_public
Good find. I don't always agree with Hasselbeck's takes but he nailed it this time.
MSR.

Three chances for other guys to step up and make plays and they failed too. Also the fact the Wilson made the D look a little foolish in the second half (gotta admit, the kid's a baller) but everyone is soooo focused on Schaub/Kubiak bashing that everyone else gets a pass. It's as if they're all perfectly fine with Schaub taking all the heat.
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Good find. I don't always agree with Hasselbeck's takes but he nailed it this time.
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Three chances for other guys to step up and make plays and they failed too. Also the fact the Wilson made the D look a little foolish in the second half (gotta admit, the kid's a baller) but everyone is soooo focused on Schaub/Kubiak bashing that everyone else gets a pass. It's as if they're all perfectly fine with Schaub taking all the heat.

I agree. Great take by Tim imo
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Donkey brained personal fouls late in the game on Sharpton and Jackson sealed the deal for SEA.
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It was a series of bad decisions by the coach and the players that led to that play, and it is unfair to blame one person. I mean why is it that nobody is pointing out that Daniels effort to come up with the ball was weak? The ball was thrown accurately, but Sherman wanted the ball more than Daniels and simply pushed Daniels to the ground to intercept that ball. And for the record, Daniels weighs in at 249lbs and Sherman is listed at 195lbs.

The fact is that some around here would have even complained had the Texans won, so trying to be realistic is futile.
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I've mentioned it at least twice already. Daniels should not have been knocked out of the way. That was the second time a pass intended for OD was intercepted & returned for a TD. The third time a pass intended for OD was intercepted.

If that were Tom Brady or Peyton Manning..... maybe even Sanchez, the talk would be that the receiver has to help his QB out. Fight for the ball, or knock it down. Owen did neither.

as an aside.... that ball was not thrown accurately. It was thrown well enough for Owen to make a play on the ball..... almost perfectly for Owen & no one else, unless they were to knock Owen out of the way.
I hear you.
Folks like to wonder aloud why Schaub never throws one up to let AJ or OD make a play - "they're pro bowl receivers, they'll make the play. Why won't he throw it up and give them a chance". Well Schaub did. And you see what happened.

I'm not absolving Schaub from any blame. He should know his TE was too weak to make that play in traffic and not thrown it. But he's not the only one at fault on that play.
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I mean why is it that nobody is pointing out that Daniels effort to come up with the ball was weak?
Agree completely.

Schaub screwed up. No doubt about it. I'm not making any excuses for him & I'm not saying the criticism of him should be any less than it has been.

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That ball was thrown from their right. It had to get past OD to get into Sherman's hands. Owen could have put forth a little more effort to getting that ball than he did.
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Agree completely.

Schaub screwed up. No doubt about it. I'm not making any excuses for him & I'm not saying the criticism of him should be any less than it has been.

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That ball was thrown from their right. It had to get past OD to get into Sherman's hands. Owen could have put forth a little more effort to getting that ball than he did.
I've seen that play more times than I can count and this is as bad as when Texansmike thought OD was responsible for not stopping the Ravens one and that was proven incorrect. On that play, Daniels shifts his direction and moves to his left to get the pass. He attempts to do this. Not sure what more you expect him to do. He is not that athletic and sure as hell not as athletic as Sherman who sat on the route and waited because he knew that pass was coming.

Meanwhile Daniels obviously was caught off guard by the location of the ball and tried to adjust with the limited ability he has even trying to go forward to the ball. Daniels does try making a play for the ball coming up 3 yards from his original location. You have to realize the individual and their capabilities. While Daniels is a good receiving tight end he is not overly athletic after all these injuries and not moving faster than a defensive back sitting on a route. If you underthrow a floating pass where there is a tight end and a corner racing to the ball then most times in that situation the corner is getting the ball. Daniels has to adjust to get to it where as Sherman did not. He just had to come up and attack the ball. He was in a much better situation to touch that ball first than Daniels.

Plain and simple it was an excellent defensive play by Sherman. Only way it would have been avoided is Schaub throwing it away or just taking the sack (which he should have done).
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I've seen that play more times than I can count and this is as bad as when Texansmike thought OD was responsible for not stopping the Ravens one and that was proven incorrect. On that play, Daniels shifts his direction and moves to his left to get the pass. He attempts to do this. Not sure what more you expect him to do. He is not that athletic and sure as hell not as athletic as Sherman who sat on the route and waited because he knew that pass was coming.

Meanwhile Daniels obviously was caught off guard by the location of the ball and tried to adjust with the limited ability he has even trying to go forward to the ball. Daniels does try making a play for the ball coming up 3 yards from his original location. You have to realize the individual and their capabilities. While Daniels is a good receiving tight end he is not overly athletic after all these injuries and not moving faster than a defensive back sitting on a route. If you underthrow a floating pass where there is a tight end and a corner racing to the ball then most times in that situation the corner is getting the ball. Daniels has to adjust to get to it where as Sherman did not. He just had to come up and attack the ball. He was in a much better situation to touch that ball first than Daniels.

Plain and simple it was an excellent defensive play by Sherman. Only way it would have been avoided is Schaub throwing it away or just taking the sack (which he should have done).
Excellent play by Sherman, no doubt. But he is squatting on the route, behind OD.... at least 2 yards (I want to say 3, but I'm not positive). They are both expecting the throw, neither are expecting it to be short, & Owen has a 2 yard head-start. Sherman is a big corner, but Owen ain't no cream puff. If he gets a hand on that ball (because Sherman is still behind him in this picture, Matt is throwing from their right) Sherman has no play.

Anytime someone is disecting a ply like this, when they're not trying to hate on the QB, they'll say, "The receiver can't wait for the ball to get to him, he has to help his QB." Owen has been in the league since 2006, he should know better than waiting on the ball like he did on the first interception of this game.

Both are still Matt's fault, I'm not taking any blame away from him. Just saying OD could have helped him out.... but didn't.
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