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Old 10-02-2013   #161
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Just like I said when they tried to blame hopkins on that pick 6 vs titans. Hopkins was reading the cb while schaub was predetermined where he was going. Had schaub read it right,hopkins would've had a bomb in the works. Instead,it was easy to blame the rookie.
Who is they? The commentator immediately said Hopkins made the mistake.
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Who is they? The commentator immediately said Hopkins made the mistake.
I think that was his point. Commentators blamed KHopkins, but actually it was Schaub.
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I think Kube is too quick to take the blame for some of his players. It just happens so often that it seems fake. I wonder what Smith and McNair are hearing...Maybe alot different than what we are hearing...
I think there was a time for it. Back in '06-'09 they were a gelatinous goo... they needed a leader & all we had was Kubiak.

Right now, either Matt can take it or he can't. He doesn't need to be coddled.

By the way, it was great that Matt openly refuted Kubiak's 'it's on me' he owned up to it right after the game. But it makes you wonder what Kubiak thinks of Matt's fortitude.
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HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

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Proof that this board is losing its mind lays in the post above people. Now dont blame him for his PSSD (Post Schaub Stress Disorder). I have seen many cases of this in the last week or so. The WHO and Texanstalk are trying to find a cure at this time but so far all test/ideals have failed.

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I think that was his point. Commentators blamed KHopkins, but actually it was Schaub.
Kubiak put it on Schaub.
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There are a lot of misconceptions out there.
There's no real tendency in the Texans' offensive play call.
Well, there is at least one tendency.

Normal zone bootleg:



Schaub's bootleg:

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So...Schaub ISN'T the half wit I assumed him to be. Even if he recognizes some kind of jacked up defense on the horizon he CAN'T deviate from the order he's been given? Pardon me but What the Duck?!

Screw it, maybe Schaub aint the problem. Kubiak is blaming the guy HE hand picked and groomed when he won't let that same guy react to changes on the field? That's BULL ISHT! Terry Bradshaw said part of the reason he and the Steelers were successfull circa 1970 something was because he called his own plays. Take that freedom from you're QB and you get a team capable of making it to the play offs but not much further.
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So it was a bad play call by the coach that was compounded by an even worse decision by the QB.
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Sage Rosenfels said yesterday that the lack of ability to audible is part and parcel of the west coast offense run by Kubiak. It's not just Schaub. Any QB Gary puts into this system is going to have the same limits. It's designed to be simple, and make the QB react quicker by not giving him as many things to read. You basically have a main option, and one check down option. That's it folks.

Anyone else starting to hate Kubiak and his west coast offense? I think at one time it was brilliant. That time was 1983.

We need a new direction, and Gary is too tied to his system imo.
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I'm embarrassed to be part of such an ignorant fan base.

Kubiak runs one of the most complex offenses in the NFL and it's widely regarded by defensive players and coaches and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for. Considering the Texans are near the top of the league in offense basically every single year, how can any of you dispute that just because Seattle players orally stimulated their coach after guessing one play correctly?

If Kubiaggie Stupiak was so predictable and incompetent, why did his offense march up and down the field on the #1 defense in the NFL?
I'm not going to argue the bolded, but Sage Rosenfels was on the local radio after his retirement over the summer and basically said the exact opposite.

He said Kubiak's offense is a simplified version of the WCO, and audibles do not have the complexities of other offenses. He was praising it, not calling it out, and said Kubiak's offense is a QB's dream because it's not complicated.

As far as preparation by other defenses, I think that has more to do with personnel than anything else. This offense is from the Bill Walsh WCO tree, which has been a staple in the league for decades.

Just curious (not debate), where did you read that it's one of the most complex offenses and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for? I'm asking for my own education because a QB that was in the system for years has said something completely different.

Hopefully someone has a link to that Sage interview, because I'd like to hear it again to make sure I heard what I heard. There were some posters that talked about it, and I'm pretty sure they came away from the conversation with the same thing I did in the end.

****EDIT: I found it (I think): Kubiak’s Quarterback Has To Be The Best Player On The Field

I'm going to listen again because I want to make sure I'm representing his perspective correctly.

Okay, already at the beginning: "I think he [Kubiak] has one of the easiest offenses to sort of understand and learn in a lot of different ways. He doesn't ask the quarterback to do a lot of changes at the mike declaration, the offensive line, with how they block with certain schemes."

So there is that, an experienced QB in this offense giving us insight.
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I'm not going to argue the bolded, but Sage Rosenfels was on the local radio after his retirement over the summer and basically said the exact opposite.

He said Kubiak's offense is a simplified version of the WCO, and audibles do not have the complexities of other offenses. He was praising it, not calling it out, and said Kubiak's offense is a QB's dream because it's not complicated.

As far as preparation by other defenses, I think that has more to do with personnel than anything else. This offense is from the Bill Walsh WCO tree, which has been a staple in the league for decades.

Just curious (not debate), where did you read that it's one of the most complex offenses and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for? I'm asking for my own education because a QB that was in the system for years has said something completely different.

Hopefully someone has a link to that Sage interview, because I'd like to hear it again to make sure I heard what I heard. There were some posters that talked about it, and I'm pretty sure they came away from the conversation with the same thing I did in the end.

****EDIT: I found it (I think): Kubiak’s Quarterback Has To Be The Best Player On The Field

I'm going to listen again because I want to make sure I'm representing his perspective correctly.

Okay, already at the beginning: "I think he [Kubiak] has one of the easiest offenses to sort of understand and learn in a lot of different ways. He doesn't ask the quarterback to do a lot of changes at the mike declaration, the offensive line, with how they block with certain schemes."

So there is that, an experienced QB in this offense giving us insight.
I'm pretty familiar with this offense.

I had been saying for a few years that it is very qb friendly because it doesn't ask him to do a whole lot regarding complex reads and calls on a snap to snap basis. Really, beyond that it's player friendly in general. So I don't want to just say Matt has it a bit easier. All those guys do. It makes it easier for WR's to get open, RB's don't have to be top physical specimens, OL don't have to be Joe Thomas. It's part of the reason I love this system. You don't have to be a freak player or a great, greŕt player to be look like a star in this system. It's about trusting your steps, using excellent technique and play design.

But truly special players can take it to a whole different level. I'd say Andre is a prime example.

But you can find players that have a specific skill set you like that fits (lateral agility, good vision, ect ) and the system can help make up for some shortcoming(s) they might have.

Specifically regarding the qb, I think Schaub is one of these players that is made to look much better than he actually is. There really is nothing special or unique about his game where he could go beyond being good in this system and become special. The best we can hope for is that he improves his decision making because that's about the only thing he has had going for him.

But if you look at all the scrap heap guys we've had in here that have played well, and the fact that you normally have QB's playing better here than they have anywhere else....I think it becomes clear that the "system" isn't a problem.

Everyone wants to make excuses for Schaub because he's a good guy by all accounts, but the system didn't make him throw that pick six or any others. That was poor decision making.

But yeah, this system isn't all that complex in comparison to some others. Hard to stop though and that's the beauty of it all.

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Sage Rosenfels said yesterday that the lack of ability to audible is part and parcel of the west coast offense run by Kubiak. It's not just Schaub. Any QB Gary puts into this system is going to have the same limits. It's designed to be simple, and make the QB react quicker by not giving him as many things to read. You basically have a main option, and one check down option. That's it folks.

Anyone else starting to hate Kubiak and his west coast offense? I think at one time it was brilliant. That time was 1983.

We need a new direction, and Gary is too tied to his system imo.
Would it really be THAT difficult to bring in audibles??? Even if one run, and one other pass option? Seems to me that kubs has ZERO faith in schaub -otherwise he'd give him the ability to audible. I'm not liking this at ALL. I'm upset with offense as a whole, regardless of the pointless yardage we've put up.
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Would it really be THAT difficult to bring in audibles??? Even if one run, and one other pass option? Seems to me that kubs has ZERO faith in schaub -otherwise he'd give him the ability to audible. I'm not liking this at ALL. I'm upset with offense as a whole, regardless of the pointless yardage we've put up.
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Would it really be THAT difficult to bring in audibles??? Even if one run, and one other pass option? Seems to me that kubs has ZERO faith in schaub -otherwise he'd give him the ability to audible. I'm not liking this at ALL. I'm upset with offense as a whole, regardless of the pointless yardage we've put up.
Hey Sway, good to see you again!

That said, the point is that often they'll call two plays in the huddle and sometimes it comes down to a "check with me". Audibles in the WCO just aren't prevalent. Kubes *ahem* OC Rick Dennison called a bad play. The mistake was to not call a timeout once they realized it was a bad play.

That's on me!

That's on Kubes and yes, that's on Schaub. That's on Don Coryell, Sid Gillman and yes, the master, Bill Walsh himself. It's just a function of the WCO.

Someone earlier brought up a good question and this is (paraphrased) "is the WCO now outdated?" That's a solid, legitmate question (i.e. the "run and shoot" or as Buddy Ryan would suggest the "chuck and duck").

Then again, is it still viable and depends on personnel??

In any event, it is an interesting conversation (In my best Spencer Tillman voice) "to be sure".
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How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.
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HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

Accuracy: Sanchez
Arm Strength: Sanchez
Decision Making: Even
Mobility: Sanchez
Pocket Presence: Sanchez
Leadership: Schaub
Experience: Schaub

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The QB needs to have some semblance of intelligence. Think Sanchez fails at that.
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How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.
Totally agree.

Even HWSNBN would've had the good sense to go down in a fetal position and live to play another down..

WOW!! That really made me nauseous to type that.
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How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.
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How is this thread nine pages. Even if it was a bad playcall and even it schaub couldnt audible HE STILL THREW THE PICK SIX. WTF DOESNT ANYONE UNDERSTAND. THE BALL WAS IN SCHAUBS HANDS ONLY AND END RESULT IS ALL ON HIM. YUP I SAID IT. Audible or not his judgement solely lead to the SINGLE worse outcome.
I cant disagree .... fall down , throw it in the stands ..... anything but a fluttering wounded duck of a pass. Just take the damn sack , let the best punter in football do his thing and give your defense a chance to seal the deal ....
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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

In the huddle, Foster should have demanded Schaub change the play to a running play. Big time players should demand the ball in game time situations.
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