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Old 10-01-2013   #141
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I just posted this two pages ago, yet the conversation is continuing under the assumption that traditional audibling is superior because it unlocks a more versitile passing offense. I contend that this system makes the Texans a better road team since it reduces the impact of crowd noise.
Yes it is a like audible system, but it is still all pre determined, nothing like whn manning see's one on one coverage with no safety help, and he switches it to a deep route and hits his man for a long TD for example.

They have pre set plays they can change to yeah, but they can not pick any play from the play book to best suit the situation, not to mention i seriously doubt there is any plays that the mannings, Rogers etc cant check out of.

Its still a leash on Schaub no matter how you put it.
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Yes it is a like audible system, but it is still all pre determined, nothing like whn manning see's one on one coverage with no safety help, and he switches it to a deep route and hits his man for a long TD for example.

They have pre set plays they can change to yeah, but they can not pick any play from the play book to best suit the situation, not to mention i seriously doubt there is any plays that the mannings, Rogers etc cant check out of.

Its still a leash on Schaub no matter how you put it.
So you think Schaub can be as good as Rodgers, or Manning?


If not, why is this even an issue? We're one of the better offenses in the league, year in & year out. If it's not broke....
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So you think Schaub can be as good as Rodgers, or Manning?


If not, why is this even an issue? We're one of the better offenses in the league, year in & year out. If it's not broke....
NO thats why i said we dont know if he could do it or not in a few posts ago. And lately it has had some pretty bad kinks, that need fixing.
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So you think Schaub can be as good as Rodgers, or Manning?


If not, why is this even an issue? We're one of the better offenses in the league, year in & year out. If it's not broke....
If our offense requires no more than a game manager to be effective, why on earth did we pay Matt Schaub 60+ million?

Kubiak's offense is extremely QB friendly. Not complex if you know X's and O's.

I might get KILLED for saying this, but a cheap Mark Sanchez could be effective in this system next year as we season a rookie qb.
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If our offense requires no more than a game manager to be effective, why on earth did we pay Matt Schaub 60+ million?
Because a more than game maker costs $100+ million.

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Kubiak's offense is extremely QB friendly. Not complex if you know X's and O's.

I might get KILLED for saying this, but a cheap Mark Sanchez could be effective in this system next year as we season a rookie qb.
QB friendly and simple are not the same thing.

Your Mark Sanchez comment throws all your opinions on Schaub out the window.
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Please, please, PUH-LEEZE tell me you aren't trying to compare the trials and tribulations of The Peyton to Matt Schaub. You absolutely can NOT make that comparison and to even bring something like that up is ludicrous. I would neither consider Manning nor Schaub "good" quarterbacks. The Peyton is probably the greatest QB of our time and the other is the complete polar opposite of that description. Good is somewhere in the middle.

Mr. Burro, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in on message board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Yes! Excellent response, but even better usage of the Billy Madison debate speech. Awesome!

Schaub is a better than average QB. He will never be a great QB. He could possibly become a Super Bowl wining QB but to do that, he needs to be surrounded by a Hall of Fame defense. The 2000 Ravens with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson with Tampa Bay both had some of the greatest defenses to ever play the game. This is the case with most if not all of the average to slightly above average QBs that have won the big game.

That said, I still don't see the Texans winning anything with Gary Kubiak. The guy is just too conservative and too controlling to win at the highest level. I will never give up on the Texans, but I do believe I have given up on Gary Kubiak. Combine him with Matt Schaub, and I just have to be realistic.
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If our offense requires no more than a game manager to be effective, why on earth did we pay Matt Schaub 60+ million?
If our system required no more than a game manager we wouldn't have. David Carr would still be here.
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I might get KILLED for saying this, but a cheap Mark Sanchez could be effective in this system next year as we season a rookie qb.
Get the **** out of here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Agreed with at his best 2009-2011 and the multiple rings part. He's not our best chance for now. He's a proven liability when pressured in the pocket. Our line is adding to his liability and it's high time Kubiak realizes the need to put someone back there that can actually withstand slight pressure on a regular basis.

It's almost as if Kubiak sees Schaub as an extension of himself and is too proud to take himself out of a game he's been out of already since 1983.
To say he's not our best chance at getting to a SB is to say that there is something better available. Yates is a known quantity, not an improvement. Do we make the big move for Josh Freeman (who apparently takes prescription amphetamines, presumably for ADD...explaining a lot about him). VY is available! Any takers? Didn't think so. What about a second shot for Matt Hot Tub? Or better still, why not hire Jamarcus Russell? He can just eat the opposing defenses. Or not. There's room for a Carr joke too, but even I'm not that morbid.

That leaves only Keenum as a semi-legitimate option if you pull Scahub, and that's a Hail Mary, a Hail Mary we don't need to throw 4 games into the season.

I do agree with the last part though, Schaub and Kubiak are a set...their wagons are hitched together. If Schaub is a failure, so is Kubiak. It makes sense that Kubiak wouldn't want to bench him. If he does, he's essntially waving the white flag on his era in Houston.
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I'm embarrassed to be part of such an ignorant fan base.

Kubiak runs one of the most complex offenses in the NFL and it's widely regarded by defensive players and coaches and one of the most difficult schemes to prepare for. Considering the Texans are near the top of the league in offense basically every single year, how can any of you dispute that just because Seattle players orally stimulated their coach after guessing one play correctly?

If Kubiaggie Stupiak was so predictable and incompetent, why did his offense march up and down the field on the #1 defense in the NFL?
Sigh. Goatcheese is back to his "let's give Kubiak a lifetime extension, and never hold him accountable" nonsense.

The modern NFL really only takes 4, maybe 5 years to turn a team around and win a Super Bowl. Yet, Kubiak is on year 8, and it's ok?

If you really want to see ignorant, grab a mirror.

Good grief.
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Sigh. Goatcheese is back to his "let's give Kubiak a lifetime extension, and never hold him accountable" nonsense.

The modern NFL really only takes 4, maybe 5 years to turn a team around and win a Super Bowl. Yet, Kubiak is on year 8, and it's ok?

If you really want to see ignorant, grab a mirror.

Good grief.
That's a bit of an over generalization. Building a team into a contender in 4-5 years is doable, but 'SB in 5 or GTFO' is nonsense. Bill Cowher was HC for 11 years until he reached that second SB and won, if you're only counting wins - 15 years before a SB win.
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I do agree with the last part though, Schaub and Kubiak are a set...their wagons are hitched together. If Schaub is a failure, so is Kubiak. It makes sense that Kubiak wouldn't want to bench him. If he does, he's essntially waving the white flag on his era in Houston.
Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.
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I am not sure it is mistrust.. I think it is Kube wanting to run the whole show and I love Kube but he has to give his QB some discretion.
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Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.
I think Kube is too quick to take the blame for some of his players. It just happens so often that it seems fake. I wonder what Smith and McNair are hearing...Maybe alot different than what we are hearing...
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Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.
Because like it or not, Kubes is a steady guy who doesn't pander to the whims of a fanbase suffering from multiple personality disorder. Hell, I get madder and start talking nonsense more than I have a right to on my own. He's not gonna drop Schaub, and if he does at all it will be, barring some extreme circumstance like a 7 interception game, at the end of the season. And even though the angry part of me is calling for the benching of Schaub, deep down I know Kubes is right. Schaub is a known quantity, even if he has been crappy lately.

However, you can bet good money Rick Smith is taking a good look at the QB draft class of 2013. Kubes might be the good old Coach, but our GM has nerves of ice and won't hesitate to axe anyone who's standing in the way of this team's goal.
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HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

Accuracy: Sanchez
Arm Strength: Sanchez
Decision Making: Even
Mobility: Sanchez
Pocket Presence: Sanchez
Leadership: Schaub
Experience: Schaub

Lets-Do-This
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HAHA!

I knew my idea would not go over well.

But, if we can get Sanchez on a 1 year vet minimum contract, cut Matt Schaub, and draft a QB in the 1st round... I think that's a viable plan.

If Kubiak is a QB guru as everybody claims, he can make it work.

Let's compare Sanchez VS Schaub

Accuracy: Sanchez
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Decision Making: Even
Mobility: Sanchez
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Leadership: Schaub
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Kubiak's had plenty of opportunities to unhitch that wagon. The foot injury was a great one. That 3rd pick six, the 6th INT in 4 games would have been a good one as well.

Kubiak can cut that cord just as easily as Rick Smith cut his. When Schaub screws up, put that right where it belongs. As long as he continues to fall on the sword for Schaub, he's reaffirming his vows.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that Kubiak can divorce himself from Schaub at anytime. But he's making a conscious decision to make sure we all know where he stands.

I would think McNair would understand the dangers of getting too attached to a player, any player, after the David Carr experience.
He could try to cut that cord, but who wouldn't see through it as a pressured CYA move? Kubiak loses the locker room when he decides to dump a guy he's invested a lot of time, confidence, and work into.

Who now, that we would have a realistic chance of signing or trading for, does Schaub get booted for? Who gives us a better chance of making the playoffs this year? Kubiak's job is to put the best players available on the field and utilize them properly in the game plan, as such he is stuck with Schaub until a better alternative emerges (it's not going to be this year).
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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

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He doesn't read defenses well. He doesn't go through progressions well. He doesn't see wide open receivers well. Why would you not believe that he does not have the ability to recognize what play to call in an audible?
Pretty much.That ball shouldn't have ever been thrown. Sherman didn't even run with andre. He just stood there in front of daniels and waited for schaub to serve up the int. Just like I said when they tried to blame hopkins on that pick 6 vs titans. Hopkins was reading the cb while schaub was predetermined where he was going. Had schaub read it right,hopkins would've had a bomb in the works. Instead,it was easy to blame the rookie.
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