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Old 10-01-2013   #41
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When did this happen?

If anything, he got away from his turtle tendencies. 18 passes to 13 runs in the second half.

1st possession; 4 runs, 4 passes.... the runs were working well, the last 4 snaps of the possession were sack, run for -2, incomplete, punt

2nd possession; 2 runs... the last was the fumble

3rd possession; 4 passes, 2 runs; last 4... run for -2, incomplete, incomplete, punt

4th possession; 3 passes... incomplete, sack -9, complete 6yards when we needed 17

5th possession; 4 runs, 1 pass; last 4 snaps were Foster for 5, Foster for 5, Foster for 1, pick 6

6th possession; sacked -10, Hopkins for 16, incomplete, punt

I agree, I didn't see Kubiak taking his foot off the pedal. I saw him call the 2nd half just as aggressive as the first half. The Problem? Seahawks made adjustments, but Texans didn't anticipate those adjustments well. In fact, I think if Kubiak did go into turtle mode, we would have won that game.
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When did this happen?

If anything, he got away from his turtle tendencies. 18 passes to 13 runs in the second half.

1st possession; 4 runs, 4 passes.... the runs were working well, the last 4 snaps of the possession were sack, run for -2, incomplete, punt

2nd possession; 2 runs... the last was the fumble

3rd possession; 4 passes, 2 runs; last 4... run for -2, incomplete, incomplete, punt

4th possession; 3 passes... incomplete, sack -9, complete 6yards when we needed 17

5th possession; 4 runs, 1 pass; last 4 snaps were Foster for 5, Foster for 5, Foster for 1, pick 6

6th possession; sacked -10, Hopkins for 16, incomplete, punt
THIS. And you know whats funny? I can easily see Reliant booing Kubiak if he ran conservatively instead like he was supposed to on that pick six play. Seriously. Our fans are that dumb.
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THIS. And you know whats funny? I can easily see Reliant booing Kubiak if he ran conservatively instead like he was supposed to on that pick six play. Seriously. Our fans are that dumb.
Our fans are waking up to the bs that's happening in this organization. If we win the any fans will be happy at the end of the day.
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Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.

So are we that predictable? Does the answer why on some of these passes that Matt is going color blind that the receivers have a blanket around them? Or maybe this answers why a team that amounts so many yards ends up field goals or these stretches where we can't even get in the endzone. Second half against the Hawks nothing to speak for. Ravens nothing to speak for. Last quarter of the schedule last year for a good 6 quarters, nothing to speak for.

Does any think we're predictable?
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Our fans are waking up to the bs that's happening in this organization. If we win the any fans will be happy at the end of the day.
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So are we that predictable? Does any think we're predictable?
Yes. Seattle knew what was coming on that play.
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Maybe. I don't think it would've mattered if they knew it was coming or not. The ball was floated up for grabs. Their guy broke on it and won it
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Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.
I was one surprised mutrfcher when I saw Schaub try that boot. They'd been playing very conservative on the backside all game long. We should have known it wasn't going to be there.

That 4th & 2 screen against Baltimore.... threw me for a loop as well.

& it took Seattle 2 & a half qtrs to figure out how predictable we were.

I think we should start a pool to see who will be the next team to score 2 TDs in a game against Seattle.
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Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.

So are we that predictable? Does the answer why on some of these passes that Matt is going color blind that the receivers have a blanket around them? Or maybe this answers why a team that amounts so many yards ends up field goals or these stretches where we can't even get in the endzone. Second half against the Hawks nothing to speak for. Ravens nothing to speak for. Last quarter of the schedule last year for a good 6 quarters, nothing to speak for.

Does any think we're predictable?
That's a fair question... but did you see that boot coming? That surprised the hell out of me. I would have bet $100 it was going to be a handoff to Arian and rely on the defense to win. If our offense is so predictable, then how did we gash the so-called best defense in the NFL for 476 yards?

If it wasn't for the Tate fumble, I think we win this game 23-10. Everyone would be talking about how good our offense is because the leagues best defense couldn't stop it.
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If it wasn't for the Tate fumble, I think we win this game 23-10. Everyone would be talking about how good our offense is because the leagues best defense couldn't stop it.
We didn't cross the 50 on any possession in the second half.... well, the only time we crossed the 50 in the second half resulted in a pick 6.

We had two opportunities to put an exclamation point on the Seahawks & settled for field goals on both occasions. The Lynch Fumble... that was the moment for the Texans to prove that they're not the "2 plays away from 0-4" team.

We basically gave that game to the Seahawks from then on.

Not taking anything away from the Seahawks, they played a great game, they made the plays they needed to make. But we didn't best that defense when they showed up & we didn't stop that offense when they showed up.

If not for Jet Lag, we probably wouldn't have been in that game at all.
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When did this happen?

If anything, he got away from his turtle tendencies. 18 passes to 13 runs in the second half.

1st possession; 4 runs, 4 passes.... the runs were working well, the last 4 snaps of the possession were sack, run for -2, incomplete, punt

2nd possession; 2 runs... the last was the fumble

3rd possession; 4 passes, 2 runs; last 4... run for -2, incomplete, incomplete, punt

4th possession; 3 passes... incomplete, sack -9, complete 6yards when we needed 17

5th possession; 4 runs, 1 pass; last 4 snaps were Foster for 5, Foster for 5, Foster for 1, pick 6

6th possession; sacked -10, Hopkins for 16, incomplete, punt
Great stats, but missing play breakdown. Link

1st drive: Tell me again we didn't come out in a shell? One pass followed by 4 straight runs (interrupted by a sack), followed by two incompletes on 3rd and 15 and 3rd and 10. (You don't get to count a sack as a pass btw.)

2nd drive: 2 runs, second was a fumble.

Sure, we opened it up AFTER the Seahawk FG, but not before.

Flip side: The drive @ 7:43 in the 4th, when you're trying to run clock? Incomplete, sack, complete, punt. Where were the runs to burn clock?

This is game management failure.
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Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.

So are we that predictable? Does the answer why on some of these passes that Matt is going color blind that the receivers have a blanket around them? Or maybe this answers why a team that amounts so many yards ends up field goals or these stretches where we can't even get in the endzone. Second half against the Hawks nothing to speak for. Ravens nothing to speak for. Last quarter of the schedule last year for a good 6 quarters, nothing to speak for.

Does any think we're predictable?
Our team relies on a lot of misdirection. I once counted the formations we were in and saw that we lined up in very few formations but ran so many different plays from those formations.

We look predictable when our receivers stop getting open and we start dumping passes short of the first down. The Garrett Graham TD was the first time I'd seen Schaub throw to that route. Normally he isn't looking at that route and the guy is usually open. I would LOVE to see Schaub throw that ball a lot more, because it's a deadly play and it opens up a lot of passing lanes.

The real problem is both Schaub and the receivers. You can only continue to create the deception if you actually change up the receivers you throw to. Right now Schaub doesn't do enough of it, and the receivers don't do a good enough job getting open on some routes.
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I don't even remember the last time the Texans played good football for a full 60 minutes. They seem to play good in one or two quarters only. That's not going to be good enough to win a Super Bowl.
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Let's shift from the conservative talk because I honestly don't think Kubiak was in this game. Not to the point of costing us the game. Instead what about being predictable? As I heard on Mike & Mike this morning, they stated that some around the league feel we are predictable in our playcalling. Richard Sherman also stated he knew the ball was coming based on the formation and that they already practiced against it.

So are we that predictable? Does the answer why on some of these passes that Matt is going color blind that the receivers have a blanket around them? Or maybe this answers why a team that amounts so many yards ends up field goals or these stretches where we can't even get in the endzone. Second half against the Hawks nothing to speak for. Ravens nothing to speak for. Last quarter of the schedule last year for a good 6 quarters, nothing to speak for.

Does any think we're predictable?
If the Texans are that predictable, they would have never been leading 20-3. Every team has tendencies, and coaches practice recognizing and defeating those tendencies. Schaub was carving that team up in the first half. He looked every bit of a SB winning QB. What happened after halftime is another story, but it was like the movie Final Destination to watch. You could just see it coming from Tate fumble, the pick 6, to the Jackson penalty that put the Hawks in position to win the game.

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Maybe. I don't think it would've mattered if they knew it was coming or not. The ball was floated up for grabs. Their guy broke on it and won it
Yea he wanted the ball allot more than Daniels did for sure. Surely both Schaub and Daniels knew the blitz was on. You gotta go get that ball, not wait for it. But in the end, Schaub should have taken the sack, punted and let the D hold the lead.
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I don't even remember the last time the Texans played good football for a full 60 minutes. They seem to play good in one or two quarters only. That's not going to be good enough to win a Super Bowl.
I know the Seahawks didn't last week. Neither did the Ravens the week before, or the Titans before them or the Chargers before them.

I bet the 49ers won't play a full 60 minutes Sunday night.
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If the Texans are that predictable, they would have never been leading 20-3. Every team has tendencies, and coaches practice recognizing and defeating those tendencies. Schaub was carving that team up in the first half.
I remember after thinking, after the second field goal, if we win this game, it will be because of the defense, or it would be because of Arian. As good as Schaub played, that's what we expect from a QB with the kind of talent he had around him. Meyers did his job, OD did his job... we'd think Schaub did his job.

Right or wrong..... whatever.

On the Gary Kubiak show they asked Gary how Schaub was doing & he said fine.... he's tough, comes with the territory. Then they threw that cliche out there, "QBs get to much credit when they win & too much blame when they lose."

I was thinking, "Not in Schaub's case." He rarely get's credit for winning. The thin air got more credit for that win in Denver last year than Schaub did.
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Schaub's turnover no more decided the game than did Tate's fumble.
I think that Tate fumble turned the game around majorly. They were coasting up till that point then it became a game.
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