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Old 10-01-2013   #21
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Wild accusation. There is absolutely no basis for saying Schaub is healthier now than he was pre-injury 2011.
Maybe I should have prefaced that with, imo.
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Maybe I should have prefaced that with, imo.
I don't care if you preface it with God, Anubis and Vishnu appeared to you and told you he is healthier now, there is not a single shred of objective evidence pointing to greater health now and there is a whole lot that points otherwise.
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I vote Yes damn i hate to say it. 1 Bad thing Andrew Luck..Sorry but that dude has upside, and our QB is going backwards.
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hell we will be lucky to be in the hunt for a Wildcard spot
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As long as Watt and Cushing are here it remains open.

However as long as Gary/Matt are here the window will remain closed.
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I don't care if you preface it with God, Anubis and Vishnu appeared to you and told you he is healthier now, there is not a single shred of objective evidence pointing to greater health now and there is a whole lot that points otherwise.
What evidence? Bad decisions? Is his decision making organ being protected by his LisFranc?

He throws for 300 yards in the first half & 2 TDs, then his LisFranc starts throbbing so he throws a pic 6 in the second?

Or maybe he's choking under pressure like he always has.....

He's lighter, he appears to be moving much better than even 2011.


In my opinion, the evidence is out there but overshadowed by some bone headed decisions.
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Default Re: Is the Super Bowl window closing?

The two games the Texans won required them to make incredible comebacks. They could easily be 0-4.
Schaub, healthy or not, I have never believed could lead this team to a SB.
Apply a tiny bit of pressure and the guy becomes a catastrophic mistake waiting to happen.
Kubiak is aggressive and conservative at the wrong times.
But, overall I believe the biggest obstacle is Schaub.
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What evidence? Bad decisions? Is his decision making organ being protected by his LisFranc?

He throws for 300 yards in the first half & 2 TDs, then his LisFranc starts throbbing so he throws a pic 6 in the second?

Or maybe he's choking under pressure like he always has.....

He's lighter, he appears to be moving much better than even 2011.


In my opinion, the evidence is out there but overshadowed by some bone headed decisions.
He's been throwing off his back foot since he came back. He's floating balls and not getting them in where he used to. He's never had a strong arm, but at least you never had to worry about the short stuff with him before. Now he's not planting properly. As far as decision making goes, I think he's making decisions on what he thinks his body can still do.

All just speculation, of course, but he's not as on target as he used to be, even when he completes the ball, and it's not like he was Troy Aikman accurate before.
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His being lighter is meaningless. He lost 5 lbs of a 240 lb frame. Heck half the MB members could do that by not drinking beer for 1 week. Mexican food and a discussion with a man about a horse would have the same swing.

Schaub was getting the ball down the field dramatically better pre-lisfranc. His ypa was almost 2 yards or about 30% higher than this year. He was on pace for 62 20+ and 16 40+ passing plays. Now it is 56 20 + and 0 40+. Pre-injury he was going for 34 attempts thrown over 30 yards. This season 0. It isn't just decision making.
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All just speculation, of course, but he's not as on target as he used to be, even when he completes the ball, and it's not like he was Troy Aikman accurate before.

Not that it ultimately matters to this conversation, but that's kind of revisionist history there because Matt Schaub has a higher completion percentage and a lower interception percentage than Aikman.
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He's been throwing off his back foot since he came back.

He's floating balls and not getting them in where he used to.

All just speculation, of course, but he's not as on target as he used to be, even when he completes the ball, and it's not like he was Troy Aikman accurate before.
None of this is true. last game in particular he was rotating his hips transferring his weight to his front foot well into OT. A few were thrown off his back foot, but that's football. Lisfranc or no, a QB is going to do what he's been told never to do since pony & throw off his back foot because things rarely go the way you plan it once you snap the ball.

The first INT had plenty of zip, demonstrated by the bounce it took off the defenders hand.

He threw one high to OD (Owen had to jump & turn in the air to catch the ball when no one was around him) but Matt had to throw the ball over a 6 foot DLman with his arm outstretched.

You're not going to inaccurately float a bunch of balls against the "Legion of Boom" for 300 yards & 2 TDs in a half.

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Schaub was getting the ball down the field dramatically better pre-lisfranc. His ypa was almost 2 yards or about 30% higher than this year. He was on pace for 62 20+ and 16 40+ passing plays. Now it is 56 20 + and 0 40+. Pre-injury he was going for 34 attempts thrown over 30 yards. This season 0. It isn't just decision making.

All these stats, are they from the first 4 games of every season? If not, they're irrelevant.

Teams are playing us a certain way now. Seattle wasn't going to let us cut back on them or run a bootleg. That's going to change if Tate & Arian keeps gashing them on the front side.

Baltimore was staying on top, not just over Aj, but keeping our offense in front of them. Unless we get desperate, we're not going to challenge them. There is no reason to if we continue to move the chains. That's going to change once teams realize that's not working either (so far it's working because we're shooting ourselves in the foot). We're still top 10 in offense, just need to work on the scoring.

Schaub takes what the defense gives him. If they're giving him 30+ yard passes, he'll take them.
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Not that it ultimately matters to this conversation, but that's kind of revisionist history there because Matt Schaub has a higher completion percentage and a lower interception percentage than Aikman.
I'm talking about accuracy, not stats. When Schaub throws the ball to a wide open AJ, but AJ has to jump in the air to grab it, that's a completion. When AJ has to slow up for a long pass and gets tackled because of it, that's a completion. Those get marked down at 100% completion rate. That's not accurate. There's a distinction. Wasn't blasting the guy, but just saying he's never been the QB that can knock the wings off a gnat at 30 yards. Aikman was.
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Andre Johnson 32
Owen Daniels 30
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Daniel Manning 31
Ed Reed 35

And Arian Foster is closing in on 27 with multiple injuries over the years.
Interesting that you would be the one to ask this question since your team went a decade+ between SB appearances.

The Ravens' SB win, both of Eli's SB wins, Roethelisberger's first SB win and the AZ Cardinals' SB appearance are all proof that all you need is to get hot at the right time to win a SB ring.

Unless Uncle Bob does a Bud Adams and blows up a perfectly good team (because he got the red@55) then we'll have a shot.

What you're really asking - so you can snicker at us to your self - is have we given up on our team?

No.


And yeah, that's a Troll question.
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All these stats, are they from the first 4 games of every season? If not, they're irrelevant.
Just because you say it doesn't make them irrelevant and it makes no sense to assert they are.

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Baltimore was staying on top, not just over Aj, but keeping our offense in front of them. Unless we get desperate, we're not going to challenge them. There is no reason to if we continue to move the chains. That's going to change once teams realize that's not working either (so far it's working because we're shooting ourselves in the foot). We're still top 10 in offense, just need to work on the scoring.

Schaub takes what the defense gives him. If they're giving him 30+ yard passes, he'll take them.
Teams didn't set out to play us differently this year although they certainly will as they see the things which are not working as well. But even there, no rushing game or league leading rushing game the Texans used to throw deeper.
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Andre Johnson 32
Owen Daniels 30
Matt Schaub 32
Daniel Manning 31
Ed Reed 35

And Arian Foster is closing in on 27 with multiple injuries over the years.
JJ Watt - 24
Deandre Hopkins - 21
Kareem Jackson - 25
Brian Cushing - 26
Garrett Graham - 27
Whitney Mercilus - 23
Duane Brown - 28
Brandon Brooks - 24
DJ Swearinger - 22

our window is getting bigger, not smaller.
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Just because you say it doesn't make them irrelevant and it makes no sense to assert they are.
Yes it does.

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Now you are in la la land. Teams didn't set out to play us differently this year although they certainly will as they see the things which are not working as well. But even there, no rushing game or league leading rushing game the Texans used to throw deeper.
See, I can be a total dck & ask you for your evidence when you spout out your opinion, but I'm not like you.

However, if you watched Baltimore who I presented as an example, you'll see they did exactly what I said they did. If you watch Seattle, you'll see they did exactly what I said they did.

To prove your point, you would need evidence of a reciever wide open 30+ yards down the field & Matt totally ignore him.

We've yet to see one bootleg work to perfection because of the way teams are playing us.... they expect it. & if we've seen it, it's been rare that Matt has been able to take a 7 step drop or sit around & wait for a 30+ yard route to develop.

We have seen him scramble & get out of the pocket much better than he had at the end of last season & though it's been 2 years ago, I believe he's moving as well as he did before the injury.
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Interesting that you would be the one to ask this question since your team went a decade+ between SB appearances.
In between that decade, my team appeared in the Playoffs 7 other times with 2 appearances in the AFC Championship game- not sure what your point is.

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The Ravens' SB win, both of Eli's SB wins, Roethelisberger's first SB win and the AZ Cardinals' SB appearance are all proof that all you need is to get hot at the right time to win a SB ring.
I have yet to find in the list of Super Bowl Champions which team that got cold yet still won? That's an over used cliché.


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What you're really asking - so you can snicker at us to your self - is have we given up on our team?

No.


And yeah, that's a Troll question.
I asked for peoples opinions. No snickering here but you can be obsessed with the word "troll".....1997 called- they want their Interweb terminology back.
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JJ Watt - 24
Deandre Hopkins - 21
Kareem Jackson - 25
Brian Cushing - 26
Garrett Graham - 27
Whitney Mercilus - 23
Duane Brown - 28
Brandon Brooks - 24
DJ Swearinger - 22

our window is getting bigger, not smaller.
My question would be, who do you value more on both lists?
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My question would be, who do you value more on both lists?
the only irreplaceable player on your list is andre johnson, but we just took hopkins in the first round. we want matt gone. tate's outperforming foster. graham and daniels are the same person. ed reed's just here for a year or two and training swearinger. the only missing player from your list that doesnt have someone behind him already is daniel manning.
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