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Old 09-30-2013   #41
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Kubiak is a ****ing idiot.
I'm crying laughing! Most of this is joy with some sorrow. I'm happy and at peace with the fact that all texans fans are now forced to see this and that Schaub is what he is as well. I just hate seeing the texans lose it just ticks me the F off.
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he should be f'n embarrassed for even admitting that.
This guy thinks he's a great coach... what a joke.
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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

I've been saying for years that this isn't a complex audibling system. This is an old school system that a lot of highschool teams don't even use anymore.

The "audibles" are built in and pre determined. There is no creative audibling by Schaub and his pre snap reads are basic.

Sage already explained this. Schaub has said things that showed what our system is like and so has kubiak.

But Schaub not being able to use a big boy audibling system wasn't the issue there. It might be a symptom of a bigger problem, but Schaub just needs to not go full retard when he's faced with a rushing defender.
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I've been saying for years that this isn't a complex audibling system. This is an old school system that a lot of highschool teams don't even use anymore.

The "audibles" are built in and pre determined. There is no creative audibling by Schaub and his pre snap reads are basic.

Sage already explained this. Schaub has said things that showed what our system is like and so has kubiak.

But Schaub not being able to use a big boy audibling system wasn't the issue there. It might be a symptom of a bigger problem, but Schaub just needs to not go full retard when he's faced with a rushing defender.
That is one narrative. The counter would be, that evening in knowing Schaub's lack of agility, Kubiak decides to call a play that puts his QB in a position to fail at the height of the game - while not giving Schaub an opportunity to audible into a Moons over my Hammy.

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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

If Schaub audibled to a different play and we didn't make the first down, assuming Seattle still wins the game, fans would just complain about how inept he is at it and demand he never do it again.

Hindsight is 20/20, Schaub trusted the judgement of the (alleged) offensive genius HC and it didn't work out. That's going to happen from time to time in the NFL, it's not like Seattle got to be the #1 defense through a lottery.
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If Schaub audibled to a different play and we didn't make the first down, assuming Seattle still wins the game, fans would just complain about how inept he is at it and demand he never do it again.

Hindsight is 20/20, Schaub trusted the judgement of the (alleged) offensive genius HC and it didn't work out. That's going to happen from time to time in the NFL, it's not like Seattle got to be the #1 defense through a lottery.
The previous two weeks he had pick six's. We would have understood the logic. Schaub went from trending to full blown Schaub Team Six.
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Or Kubiak is falling on his sword and hopefully Smith is kept as GM in 2014. I don't want to see another full rebuilding.
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You live and learn. Hopefully Kubiak and team will rebound in week five and beyond!
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Wtf? Schaub couldn't audible to a running play if he noticed a blitz? Somehow I call bs on Kubiak here. I would bet Kubiak is just trying to take heat off his QB with this comment.
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He doesn't read defenses well. He doesn't go through progressions well. He doesn't see wide open receivers well. Why would you not believe that he does not have the ability to recognize what play to call in an audible?
Funny I only hear the progressions and doesn't see receivers from Texans fans. The ex-coaches say those are strengths.

Honestly it is hilarious reading the game day thread and listening at the same time. The former QB commentator will be saying Schaub is on his 3rd read and the MB will be saying he stared down his receiver the whole way. Or this last game with tons of folks jumping in saying AJ was wide open in the back of the end zone. No as a practical matter he wasn't. Schaub was heading right to left with AJ well back from him. That would have required gymnast to pull off and we know that ain't Schaub.

To be clear, Schaub is not playing well but he is also not guilty of everything alleged here.
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My take in a different thread: Wtf? Schaub couldn't audible to a running play if he noticed a blitz? Somehow I call bs on Kubiak here. I would bet Kubiak is just trying to take heat off his QB with this comment.
that's how i'm reading it as well. there are always pre-snap options. kubiak is protecting schaub here, though is also probably a bit beside himself for calling the play in hindsight.

for the record, i'm still on board with kubiak. i think he and wade are our ideal coaches. the one and only part of the team that i've given up on is matt schaub. now if kubiak wants to hang himself with the matt schaub rope, i cant say much, but otherwise he has my support.
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Funny I only hear the progressions and doesn't see receivers from Texans fans. The ex-coaches say those are strengths.

Honestly it is hilarious reading the game day thread and listening at the same time. The former QB commentator will be saying Schaub is on his 3rd read and the MB will be saying he stared down his receiver the whole way. Or this last game with tons of folks jumping in saying AJ was wide open in the back of the end zone. No as a practical matter he wasn't. Schaub was heading right to left with AJ well back from him. That would have required gymnast to pull off and we know that ain't Schaub.

To be clear, Schaub is not playing well but he is also not guilty of everything alleged here.
Schaub may not be guilty of everything here, but there is no denying that he has missed wide open receivers dating back to last season and made some dumb ass throws. Don't go sainting Schaub just yet. He has more than enough culpability for his poor play in 2012 and 2013.
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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

This is ****ing ridiculous, college QB's all over the country are allowed to audible out of bad plays but we have a 10yr veteran that our coach doesn't allow to audible. Kubes needs to go asap.
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that's how i'm reading it as well. there are always pre-snap options. kubiak is protecting schaub here, though is also probably a bit beside himself for calling the play in hindsight.

for the record, i'm still on board with kubiak. i think he and wade are our ideal coaches. the one and only part of the team that i've given up on is matt schaub. now if kubiak wants to hang himself with the matt schaub rope, i cant say much, but otherwise he has my support.
I think one more pick 6 will put Schaub to bed.

Or they'll fake an injury to save face.
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Schaub may not be guilty of everything here, but there is no denying that he has missed wide open receivers dating back to last season and made some dumb ass throws. Don't go sainting Schaub just yet. He has more than enough culpability for his poor play in 2012 and 2013.
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Default Re: Kubiak: Schaub couldn’t audible out of “very, very poor play”

Schaub doesn't get a free pass because he made a bonehead play, but he made one earlier in the game so what exactly did we really expect him to do. We hear this lack of audible freedom every year and it always comes back to bite us in the ass. Have you ever heard of this in the history of football ?? This might be why Manning was never really a possibility to come here it might be that Gary was too stubborn to give up some of his authority when it comes to the offense.
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Don't go sainting Schaub just yet. He has more than enough culpability for his poor play in 2012 and 2013.
Not sainting him at all. To the contrary I am saying there are plenty of legitimate things to complain about Schaub and Kubiak without making more up. On the pick 6 it was a poor play call, a bad protection call, a bad decision not to audible whether or not authorized and brain dead execution.
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I heard the play by play team say that Schaub is the most blitzed QB in the NFL. No shock since he handles pressure poorly and doesn't stretch the field to make teams pay.
It's also very tempting for the defense to blitz when the QB rarely checks out of the play.
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That is one narrative. The counter would be, that evening in knowing Schaub's lack of agility, Kubiak decides to call a play that puts his QB in a position to fail at the height of the game - while not giving Schaub an opportunity to audible into a Moons over my Hammy.

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I'm in no way absolving Schaub's responsibility for this mistake. But it was a "very,very poor play" call. The defense is not going to crash inside looking for a run on 3rd and 4. They're thinking pass. No one went for the fake as a top defense shouldn't. Schaub had no chance to make a positive play. All he could do was make the least negative play. Which would have been to curl into a ball and take the gift sack. How does Kubiak pour over these plays all week and then during the game, then make a ridiculous call like that?
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Not sainting him at all. To the contrary I am saying there are plenty of legitimate things to complain about Schaub and Kubiak without making more up. On the pick 6 it was a poor play call, a bad protection call, a bad decision not to audible whether or not authorized and brain dead execution.
I would have been great if Schaub noticed the safety/cb approaching the line to blitz... Of course, he had no clue. Zero awareness.

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I heard the play by play team say that Schaub is the most blitzed QB in the NFL. No shock since he handles pressure poorly and doesn't stretch the field to make teams pay.
A few years ago (when the right side of his OLine weren't incompetent Fug ups), Schaub was a blitz beater with the highest QB rating in the NFL when blitzed.

Funny how that works.

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I would have been great if Schaub noticed the safety/cb approaching the line to blitz... Of course, he had no clue. Zero awareness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbvJZfkuzA
The DB didn't come up until the WR came in motion. Kubiak said that once the motion started, they can't audible the play.

Why is that so hard for people to understand? It was either run it or call a time out at that point.
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