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Old 09-30-2013   #21
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The defense should have beaten the dog ISHT out of Wilson when he started running. A QB's place is IN THE POCKET. When a QB leaves the pocket he is saying:

"Hi I'm a REAL football player. Please hurt me."


When that same QB crosses the line of scrimmage he's saying:

"F-YOU defensive unit. You are a small cute cluster of kittens of whom I have NO fear. There isn't anything which you could possibly do to me."

Sorry if I'm part of a defensive unit and a QB said that to me I would sacrifice a game check and do my best to break every last one of his damned ribs. Everything on MY side of the ball belongs to me. You want an inch of this field you'll pay for it dearly.
Perhaps you missed the part where the defense could only flush Wilson out of the pocket, but took bad angles and couldn't catch him. When Wilson scrambled, he left the DL and LBs in the dust 10 yards behind him, and they were still trying to figure out which way the guy went. Mobile QBs are dangerous, and since we don't have one to practice against, we'll get burned by them.

Trying to hurt the guy isn't the answer. There's a difference between playing aggressive and playing dirty. While we sometimes lack the aggressive play, the dirty play is just not the way to go.
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I don't have as much of a problem with the play call as I do with the actual throw, piss poor decision on Matts's part and its what you would expect out of a rookie in his first NFL game, not a veteran starter in this league.
I totally agree. I actually liked the playcall. It caught me by surprise. I think it caught everyone by surprise except for the Seahawks. Schaub has to know, in that situation, just eat the sack. I know a lot of fans hate it when Schaub eats sacks, but that's exactly what that play called for.
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Where was the game lost?
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2nd Half / OT- Seahawks
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15:00 3 02:24 SEA 25 3 -2 Punt
08:17 3 03:15 SEA 20 6 19 Punt
04:19 3 00:25 HOU 21 4 0 Field Goal
00:11 3 07:28 SEA 2 14 98 Touchdown
06:05 4 00:52 HOU 47 3 2 Intercepted Pass
00:20 4 00:20 SEA 11 1 -1 End of Half
12:27 OT 01:49 SEA 20 4 33 Punt
06:46 OT 03:27 SEA 31 8 42 Field Goal
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12:25 3 03:57 HOU 13 7 40 Punt
05:02 3 00:43 HOU 17 2 4 Fumble
03:54 3 03:33 HOU 20 6 29 Punt
07:43 4 00:44 HOU 20 3 -3 Punt
05:13 4 02:33 HOU 43 5 17 Intercepted Pass
02:40 4 02:12 HOU 20 7 37 Punt
15:00 OT 02:24 HOU 20 5 20 Punt
10:30 OT 03:28 HOU 13 7 27 Punt
6 punts and two turnovers? No real mystery to be solved here. The offense went in a shell and gave the game away. Schaub's turnover no more decided the game than did Tate's fumble.
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I totally agree. I actually liked the playcall. It caught me by surprise. I think it caught everyone by surprise except for the Seahawks. Schaub has to know, in that situation, just eat the sack. I know a lot of fans hate it when Schaub eats sacks, but that's exactly what that play called for.
He should've been able to read the blitz during pre-snap reads. Call a TO since he apparently wasn't allowed to audible. Just dumb on the coach and QB

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He should've been able to read the blitz during pre-snap reads. Call a TO since he apparently wasn't allowed to audible. Just dumb on the coach and QB
Wtf? Schaub couldn't audible to a running play if he noticed a blitz? Somehow I call bs on Kubiak here. I would bet Kubiak is just trying to take heat off his QB with this comment.
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Wtf? Schaub couldn't audible to a running play if he noticed a blitz? Somehow I call bs on Kubiak here. I would bet Kubiak is just trying to take heat off his QB with this comment.
Kubiak made no such comment.
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Kubiak made no such comment.
Several reporters tweeted the same thing. Why would they lie?

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Several reporters tweeted the same thing. Why would they lie?
Just saw it.
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Several reporters tweeted the same thing. Why would they lie?
This is just utter hilarity. How do you NOT give a veteran QB the ability to audible on any given play? Serious?
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We lost the game on Schaub first int in the red zone. Seattle only rush 2 and dropped everyone back to cover a short zone. And yet Schaub rush a throw like it was an all out blitz and he threw it into that short crowded zone where it was tip right into Seattle hands.

When the defense is only rushing 3 or less it's critical for a QB to remain patient in the pocket and survey the whole field as he will usually have time to throw when the defense trades pass rush for extra secondary coverage. Schaub should have grab a chair and sat in the pocket and took his sweet time to find an open receiver cuz Seattle only sent TWO rushers!

Folks here like to thrashed Schaub weak arm and mobility. But his biggest downfall have always been his lack of pocket-precense and foot placement.
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Tim Hasselbeck on Mike & Mike in the Morning today had a broader take on what happened in the loss and what were the critical mistakes the Texans made.

He explains very clearly how the play call & formation contributed to Schaub's failure. And he rightfully calls out AJ & Nuk & KJ, too.

Worth a listen, starts at ~2 minutes: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id...espnapi_public
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Its quite simple. We could not afford to lose the turnover battle AGAIN, especially against that team. We did. We lost.
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I actually thought Kubiak was more aggressive than usual. Come on, admit it, on the pick 6 play, you thought they were going to hand the ball off and let the defense win the game.
ummm. i can recall off my head a few times there was a need for a 3rd down conversion to ice a game and they converted passing. denver last year, bengals in the playoffs, there has to be more i just cant remember. i was expecting a short slant/curl to od or dre.. not a rollout and a throw that reeked of "FXCK IT!!" thats what it looked like when schaub let it go as if he was like "FXCK IT!!!" into coverage where the db had a beat on it as he loaded up..
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Tim Hasselbeck on Mike & Mike in the Morning today had a broader take on what happened in the loss and what were the critical mistakes the Texans made.

He explains very clearly how the play call & formation contributed to Schaub's failure. And he rightfully calls out AJ & Nuk & KJ, too.

Worth a listen, starts at ~2 minutes: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id...espnapi_public
REP. Very well worth the listen.
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This is just utter hilarity. How do you NOT give a veteran QB the ability to audible on any given play? Serious?
This. This right here is a huge HELLO as to why we will not get anywhere far in the playoffs. That's a loser's mentality right there.

Sad and pathetic.
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Tim Hasselbeck on Mike & Mike in the Morning today had a broader take on what happened in the loss and what were the critical mistakes the Texans made.

He explains very clearly how the play call & formation contributed to Schaub's failure. And he rightfully calls out AJ & Nuk & KJ, too.

Worth a listen, starts at ~2 minutes: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id...espnapi_public
Good **** bro....this combined with kubiak confirming that Schaub had no aubidle privledges seals the deal for me with kubiak.....
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Tim Hasselbeck on Mike & Mike in the Morning today had a broader take on what happened in the loss and what were the critical mistakes the Texans made.

He explains very clearly how the play call & formation contributed to Schaub's failure. And he rightfully calls out AJ & Nuk & KJ, too.

Worth a listen, starts at ~2 minutes: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id...espnapi_public
I agree with the whole thing...
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Game was lost when Gary took his foot off the gas and go 5 mph under the speed limit
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Game was lost when Gary took his foot off the gas and go 5 mph under the speed limit
When did this happen?

If anything, he got away from his turtle tendencies. 18 passes to 13 runs in the second half.

1st possession; 4 runs, 4 passes.... the runs were working well, the last 4 snaps of the possession were sack, run for -2, incomplete, punt

2nd possession; 2 runs... the last was the fumble

3rd possession; 4 passes, 2 runs; last 4... run for -2, incomplete, incomplete, punt

4th possession; 3 passes... incomplete, sack -9, complete 6yards when we needed 17

5th possession; 4 runs, 1 pass; last 4 snaps were Foster for 5, Foster for 5, Foster for 1, pick 6

6th possession; sacked -10, Hopkins for 16, incomplete, punt
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My bad Thunder, force of habit, lol. Espn gamecast stinks, i was working and when i refreshed it would say 3 yd run, 1 yd run etc
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