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Old 09-27-2013   #701
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Here's a depressing article about Schaub's record in games that count:

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairba...s_winner_l.php
He talked about Brady being known for pocket presence, Brees for accuracy, & Manning for IQ, but I know what Schaub is actually known for & it's exactly what you'd expect from Kubiak's QB: the fake hand-off...

Not IQ, or accuracy, or arm-strength, it's one of the most BASIC things a QB does. I know it's a good thing to be that good at it, but it's kind of messed up that his greatest strength as a QB is pretending to hand the ball to his RB.
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He talked about Brady being known for pocket presence, Brees for accuracy, & Manning for IQ, but I know what Schaub is actually known for & it's exactly what you'd expect from Kubiak's QB: the fake hand-off...

Not IQ, or accuracy, or arm-strength, it's one of the most BASIC things a QB does. I know it's a good thing to be that good at it, but it's kind of messed up that his greatest strength as a QB is pretending to hand the ball to his RB.
More Schaub bashing. lol Cuz we all know that the Houston Press and Sean Pendergast are sports authorities right?

Schaub's tenure in Houston has been marked by rampant criticism. Wherever he may rank in the pantheon of NFL quarterbacks, consider this:

In their first five seasons, the Texans were 24-56 (.300) with five losing seasons. In the six seasons since Schaub arrived in 2007, the Texans are 53-43 (.552) with one losing season and two AFC South titles.

Schaub ranks seventh in NFL history in completion percentage (64.3), ahead of Tom Brady and Joe Montana. He ranks 11th all time in passer rating (91.9) and 12th in passing yards per attempt (7.77).

Since 2007, he's ninth in the NFL in passer rating (93.3), ahead of Matt Ryan (90.9), Michael Vick (87.8), Eli Manning (86.5) and Joe Flacco (86.3).

And Schaub's 261.4 passing yards per game since joining the Texans would rank third in NFL history behind only Drew Brees (270.1) and Peyton Manning (265.6). Elite? Maybe not, but certainly better than he gets credit for.

Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.

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Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.
I think reaching back to 2007 to criticize Schaub is unfair and misses the point. Pointing out Schaub's recent play is fair. And he has not played to the level he attained in the past. I think the Matt Schaub of 2009-2011 would be capable of doing his part in bringing a championship to Houston. The Matt Schaub we've seen recently is not.
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I think reaching back to 2007 to criticize Schaub is unfair and misses the point. Pointing out Schaub's recent play is fair. And he has not played to the level he attained in the past. I think the Matt Schaub of 2009-2011 would be capable of doing his part in bringing a championship to Houston. The Matt Schaub we've seen recently is not.
Do you think his play falling off coincides with his foot injury?

I will go with C-N-D on this one and if he's right Schaub's play aint going to get better. (Happy thought for the day)

Good news is Seattle is missing 3 starting OL Sunday, including their C/LT. I actually think the Texans are going to shock the world and get a win, if the offense doesn't turn the ball over.

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I think reaching back to 2007 to criticize Schaub is unfair and misses the point. Pointing out Schaub's recent play is fair. And he has not played to the level he attained in the past. I think the Matt Schaub of 2009-2011 would be capable of doing his part in bringing a championship to Houston. The Matt Schaub we've seen recently is not.
Fair enough, but are you saying that because Schaub had one bad game this year that it requires this level of scrutiny? Schaub played well in the first two games, then goes on the road to a place the Texans have never won at and lays and egg and suddenly all the Schaub haters ramp up their rhetoric and you think that is fair?

All of this we could be 0-3 stuff is silly. We could just as easily be 3-0, or 1-2, and to pretend that Schaub is to blame for all of the Texans woes is way too easy. The glaring mistakes by the pass rush, and pass coverage have just as much to do with what happened in Baltimore as how Schaub played, but I do not hear you guys calling for Wade's head, or calling out Jackson, or Joseph for their less than stellar play.

all this finger pointing is childish, and there are allot more things wrong with the 2013 Houston Texans than the bad game Schaub had last week. But I realize that it is week 3, and all teams are struggling to play at their full potential, not just the Texans, and what my post illustrates is that what Kubiak said was true. Matt Schaub's play (Along with allot of others) has turned this club from a perennial loser, to a contender, and those stats prove that. To ignore or dismiss them because of one game is ludicrous.
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More Schaub bashing. lol Cuz we all know that the Houston Press and Sean Pendergast are sports authorities right?

Schaub's tenure in Houston has been marked by rampant criticism. Wherever he may rank in the pantheon of NFL quarterbacks, consider this:

In their first five seasons, the Texans were 24-56 (.300) with five losing seasons. In the six seasons since Schaub arrived in 2007, the Texans are 53-43 (.552) with one losing season and two AFC South titles.

Schaub ranks seventh in NFL history in completion percentage (64.3), ahead of Tom Brady and Joe Montana. He ranks 11th all time in passer rating (91.9) and 12th in passing yards per attempt (7.77).

Since 2007, he's ninth in the NFL in passer rating (93.3), ahead of Matt Ryan (90.9), Michael Vick (87.8), Eli Manning (86.5) and Joe Flacco (86.3).

And Schaub's 261.4 passing yards per game since joining the Texans would rank third in NFL history behind only Drew Brees (270.1) and Peyton Manning (265.6). Elite? Maybe not, but certainly better than he gets credit for.

Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.

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I really wish people would stop quoting completion % as a good stat for Matt. It's not like Matt is throwing laser bombs, he's a QB in a run first play action that has a great RB, TE, and WR. He's in the perfect system, lots of swings, screens, and bad passes that he's getting bailed out by his receivers.
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Fair enough, but are you saying that because Schaub had one bad game this year that it requires this level of scrutiny? Schaub played well in the first two games, then goes on the road to a place the Texans have never won at and lays and egg and suddenly all the Schaub haters ramp up their rhetoric and you think that is fair?

All of this we could be 0-3 stuff is silly. We could just as easily be 3-0, or 1-2, and to pretend that Schaub is to blame for all of the Texans woes is way too easy. The glaring mistakes by the pass rush, and pass coverage have just as much to do with what happened in Baltimore as how Schaub played, but I do not hear you guys calling for Wade's head, or calling out Jackson, or Joseph for their less than stellar play.

all this finger pointing is childish, and there are allot more things wrong with the 2013 Houston Texans than the bad game Schaub had last week. But I realize that it is week 3, and all teams are struggling to play at their full potential, not just the Texans, and what my post illustrates is that what Kubiak said was true. Matt Schaub's play (Along with allot of others) has turned this club from a perennial loser, to a contender, and those stats prove that. To ignore or dismiss them because of one game is ludicrous.
Did you actually watch the TN game, he has one good game, the rest was not just bad but really really bad.
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I really wish people would stop quoting completion % as a good stat for Matt. It's not like Matt is throwing laser bombs, he's a QB in a run first play action that has a great RB, TE, and WR. He's in the perfect system, lots of swings, screens, and bad passes that he's getting bailed out by his receivers.
I love this... Do you have anything to base your opinion on or are you just throwing that out there? The perfect system? Wait, I thought the Texans system is antiquated and predictable and that is why we lose games? And now you try to use it as an argument for why Schaub is accurate? lol You cannot have it both ways. As far as laser bombs go, our system does not rely on massive vertical strikes, but rather strategic ones, and then conservative play that eats up clock, so it's no wonder Schaub is not airing it out every play. He is not required too.

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Did you actually watch the TN game, he has one good game, the rest was not just bad but really really bad.
No don't be silly. I don't actually watch the games. I just make this stuff up as I go along. On a serious note. Matt Schaub won the TN game with not one, but two great drives and a perfect throw to the rookie in the end zone. He played well when the game was on the line against what appears to be a pretty good defense, and that is all that matters. But sure, you go ahead and say it was everyone else bailing him out, not him actually making the plays because that makes perfect sense.
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More Schaub bashing. lol Cuz we all know that the Houston Press and Sean Pendergast are sports authorities right?

Schaub's tenure in Houston has been marked by rampant criticism. Wherever he may rank in the pantheon of NFL quarterbacks, consider this:

In their first five seasons, the Texans were 24-56 (.300) with five losing seasons. In the six seasons since Schaub arrived in 2007, the Texans are 53-43 (.552) with one losing season and two AFC South titles.

Schaub ranks seventh in NFL history in completion percentage (64.3), ahead of Tom Brady and Joe Montana. He ranks 11th all time in passer rating (91.9) and 12th in passing yards per attempt (7.77).

Since 2007, he's ninth in the NFL in passer rating (93.3), ahead of Matt Ryan (90.9), Michael Vick (87.8), Eli Manning (86.5) and Joe Flacco (86.3).

And Schaub's 261.4 passing yards per game since joining the Texans would rank third in NFL history behind only Drew Brees (270.1) and Peyton Manning (265.6). Elite? Maybe not, but certainly better than he gets credit for.

Pendergast is just another biased Schaub hater who only looks at his flaws and never gives him credit for his strengths, or wins. Schaub bashing has become a sport, and each are trying to outdo the last.

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So, with all of the stats quoting and crap, do you believe Schaub's the guy to win the Texans a Lombardi? Because if he's not then the Team is just wasting time. It's my belief that there is no way Schaub can win a SB. Before the foot injury I would've been in agreement with you, that he could win a SB. If that's the way you feel.
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So, with all of the stats quoting and crap, do you believe Schaub's the guy to win the Texans a Lombardi? Because if he's not then the Team is just wasting time. It's my belief that there is no way Schaub can win a SB. Before the foot injury I would've been in agreement with you, that he could win a SB. If that's the way you feel.
Well let's see... He is our best chance vs anyone we have on our team, and anyone else available on the FA market so yes, I believe he can play well enough to win the Lombardi.

His foot injury two years ago has nothing to do with his current play. That is more likely due to our offensive line playing pretty poorly not affording Schaub the time he needs to make the play, because when he has been given the time he has carved up the opposing D nicely so far. The picks are mostly tipped balls, and there is little Schaub can do about that, but once again, if the defenders were being blocked and not up in his grill on nearly every passing situation, those may not have happened, and could have just as easily been big plays for Schaub and the team.

People said "There is no way" men could go to the moon, or fly in the air, or run the 40 in under a certain amount of time, or make a potato chips taste like pizza, or have electricity in every home in America. But in every one of those, and many more cases they were wrong, and so are you.

If the likes of Flacco, Dilfer, Williams, Bradshaw and many others can win the Lombardi, so can Schaub.
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I will go with C-N-D on this one and if he's right Schaub's play aint going to get better. (Happy thought for the day)
Nothing against CnD, but I'm seeing a better than 2011 Schaub out there. Sure enough, we'll see come January.

Schaub most likely won't do anything spectacular, we're numb to what he does, but the numbers will be there, I'm thinking even better. Right now he's dealing with protection issues & new receivers.. .Kubiak is tweaking the offense, a lot of change we're not even aware of (like the OL splits, I've never seen them that wide), so we're going to struggle & this year the group-think has decided to put it all on Schaub's shoulders & he's taking it like a man.
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all this finger pointing is childish...
Great post.

& if what Brian Cushing said was meant the way our fans want to believe, it's not good for the Houston Texans. It would be the beginning of the end of the Texans as we know them. Just like Rex Ryan is allowed to stay in NY & try again, Kubiak will be here till this iteration of the team is no more & we're starting on another.

I hope Cushing was not saying what they think he was saying.
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I really wish people would stop quoting completion % as a good stat for Matt. It's not like Matt is throwing laser bombs, he's a QB in a run first play action that has a great RB, TE, and WR. He's in the perfect system, lots of swings, screens, and bad passes that he's getting bailed out by his receivers.
Well not only does he have a high completion percentage, but he also has a high yards per attempt. So he's not exactly dinking & dunking all the time.

And all of the great QBs had great receivers (except for Brady alot of years). Montana & Young had great receivers. Peyton always had some of the leagues best receivers. Brees has Colston, Graham & Sproles to bail him out. Rodgers had arguably the best receiving core the past few years.

I'm also getting tired of people saying Schaub is a product of the 'system'. If we are a perennial top 10 offense (in both yards and scoring), despite the play of our "crappy" QB, Kubiak deserves more credit as an offensive mastermind.
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I love this... Do you have anything to base your opinion on or are you just throwing that out there? The perfect system? Wait, I thought the Texans system is antiquated and predictable and that is why we lose games? And now you try to use it as an argument for why Schaub is accurate? lol You cannot have it both ways. As far as laser bombs go, our system does not rely on massive vertical strikes, but rather strategic ones, and then conservative play that eats up clock, so it's no wonder Schaub is not airing it out every play. He is not required too.
This! ^^^

People are asking, "What happened to 2010 Matt?" Nothing happened to him, the big difference is we have a good defense now. We don't need an aggressive offense to keep pace with the other team anymore.
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Jake Plummer.

Kubiak/Shanahan took what was basically Tony Romo & made him a winner. AFC Championship game & Super Bowl contender.

Regardless what we think of Schaub I think we can all agree that we can get to an AFC Championship game with him if Kubiak/Shanahan can take Plummer to the AFC Championship game & if we can get to the AFC Championship game, there's a good chance we can get to the Super Bowl.

Right now Schaub has a better chance of winning the Super Bowl than RG3, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Michael Vick, Matt Ryan, even Colin Kaepernick. Even is he's just lucky, this is where we are.
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Did you actually watch the TN game, he has one good game, the rest was not just bad but really really bad.


As has been pointed out you have to explain why his completion % and yards per attempt are both high
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Well let's see... He is our best chance vs anyone we have on our team, and anyone else available on the FA market so yes, I believe he can play well enough to win the Lombardi.

His foot injury two years ago has nothing to do with his current play. That is more likely due to our offensive line playing pretty poorly not affording Schaub the time he needs to make the play, because when he has been given the time he has carved up the opposing D nicely so far. The picks are mostly tipped balls, and there is little Schaub can do about that, but once again, if the defenders were being blocked and not up in his grill on nearly every passing situation, those may not have happened, and could have just as easily been big plays for Schaub and the team.

People said "There is no way" men could go to the moon, or fly in the air, or run the 40 in under a certain amount of time, or make a potato chips taste like pizza, or have electricity in every home in America. But in every one of those, and many more cases they were wrong, and so are you.

If the likes of Flacco, Dilfer, Williams, Bradshaw and many others can win the Lombardi, so can Schaub.
Compare the 2009-2010 tape to the 2012-2013 tape and tell me if you think Matt is the same guy. The rest of the team has to be perfect to carry Matt, is this the same with Manning? Monday night Manning seemed to be able to have his offense rise to the occasion despite the OL missing LT Clady and C Walton.

Time will tell who's right or wrong on this. So you have no idea if I'm wrong. I do respect the fact that you are calling your shot right now. I would hope that you respect my position. I hope you're right and Schaub gets us to a SB.

I tell you what, I will make a bet with you, I will buy YOU a Super Bowl ticket if the Texans MAKE the Super Bowl. If they dont you cut me a check for $1000.00. I'm putting my $$$$ where my mouth is. (You're getting the better of the deal $$$$ wise and the Texans should make the playoffs, so all you need is Matt to step up in big games.) Looking forward to seeing your reply soon.
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Well let's see... He is our best chance vs anyone we have on our team, and anyone else available on the FA market so yes, I believe he can play well enough to win the Lombardi.

His foot injury two years ago has nothing to do with his current play. That is more likely due to our offensive line playing pretty poorly not affording Schaub the time he needs to make the play, because when he has been given the time he has carved up the opposing D nicely so far. The picks are mostly tipped balls, and there is little Schaub can do about that, but once again, if the defenders were being blocked and not up in his grill on nearly every passing situation, those may not have happened, and could have just as easily been big plays for Schaub and the team.

People said "There is no way" men could go to the moon, or fly in the air, or run the 40 in under a certain amount of time, or make a potato chips taste like pizza, or have electricity in every home in America. But in every one of those, and many more cases they were wrong, and so are you.

If the likes of Flacco, Dilfer, Williams, Bradshaw and many others can win the Lombardi, so can Schaub.
If Schaub's their best chance the they're screwed. The OL is hurt, but guess what the Seahawks/49ers/Broncos OL's are also hurt and they dont seem to be having the ofensive problems that the Texans are having. So, that's either on Gary/Matt or some combination of the two.

I dont seem to remember the int's against the Tinbreds or Balt being tipped. But my mind could be failing me. Or you could just be making sh*t up as you go.
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If Schaub's their best chance the they're screwed. The OL is hurt, but guess what the Seahawks/49ers/Broncos OL's are also hurt and they dont seem to be having the ofensive problems that the Texans are having. So, that's either on Gary/Matt or some combination of the two.
The Niners have looked horrible 2 of 4 games with resulting blowouts.

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I dont seem to remember the int's against the Tinbreds or Balt being tipped. But my mind could be failing me. Or you could just be making sh*t up as you go.
Two of Schaub's first three INTs were off tips. The first play of the game against San Diego and one of the two against the Tacks (not the pick six).
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