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Old 09-23-2013   #181
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In my opinion it's pretty stupid not to see what's been going on with this team the first 3 weeks and assume they're fine. They will struggle to make the playoffs, and then the Bengals will be ready this time around.
I agree and I have my own laundry list of problems, but to say were a sub 500 team, stupid.
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Old 09-23-2013   #182
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this might be 3 or 4 years too late.. weve wasted so much time waiting for something from ths guy thats not there.. now were pretty much in too deep. unless we bring in a vet, bringing in a rookie next year admits were starting over and just basically wasted dres prime years.. we wont be an elite, feared team until we have an elite qb..
Cant say that anymore with what has happened in recent history with rookie QB's just walking in and succeeding. I want to see what Keenum and Hopkins can do. We have already wasted Dre's best years, lets give him a chance to get a ring off of talent and hunger of others. Nothing against Yates, I just see the fire in Cases's eyes ... he wants it real bad every snap. No plays off like ...
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how was that one embarassing??
It wasn't. That was the point. Wolverine made it sound like we always get embarrassed on the road at night.
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This is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Our RT is terrible and we have no replacement for him. When Duane Brown doesn't play, our LT is terrible. Our QB is below average and has no natural ability to make something out of nothing, which is required with poor tackle play. Our pass defense is going to get exposed by good passing teams.

We'll be lucky if we go .500. We are extremely lucky to be 2-0 and not 0-2 given the way we've played thus far. There is no indication that this team will be getting better as the season progresses, actually quite the contrary as injuries happen.
No bro, this is a complete knee-jerk reaction!

Like Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. The Texans are an ugly 2-1. When the Texans reach the playoffs, no one will remember that the first 3 games they looked like shyte. They'll just remember being 2-1 after the first 3 weeks. AND 3-1 after the Seahawks game!
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No bro, this is a complete knee-jerk reaction!

Like Bill Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. The Texans are an ugly 2-1. When the Texans reach the playoffs, no one will remember that the first 3 games they looked like shyte. They'll just remember being 2-1 after the first 3 weeks. AND 3-1 after the Seahawks game!
Have to love that positive attitude! Of course we all know you're drunk, but gotta love it!
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Then we need to trade him to a team that will take the hit?

Is that a possibility?
No, the Texans take the cap hit whether Schaub is cut or traded. There is no "Get out of cap hit free" card.
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This http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.ph...xans&Year=2013 says there is 21M in dead money on Shaub right now and 10.5 cap hit to cut him....

Next year http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.ph...xans&Year=2014 its a 4M savings

If I read this correctly- I could be confused though...
I run the OTC site and you are correct with the way you interpret it, which I think Lucky pointed out below as well. We maintain dead money estimates for every player and every year so that is why there is a discrepancy between our figures and Spotracs.

If the Texans were to release Schaub (and I dont think they would unless the team completely fell apart, because who would you replace him with) next year they could consider designating him a June 1 cut. What would happen is the Texans would carry his full cap hit until June 1. At that point his cap number would fall from $14 million to just $3.5 million with the $7 million balance being accounted for in 2015.

If the Texans were serious about wanting to move him they should see if a team like the Bucs or Browns would be interested in trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him.
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No, the Texans take the cap hit whether Schaub is cut or traded. There is no "Get out of cap hit free" card.
OK, cut him.

Cap hit be damned, he is a liability.
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No, the Texans take the cap hit whether Schaub is cut or traded. There is no "Get out of cap hit free" card.
If the Texans trade Schaub today, the remaining signing bonus money that is still on the book will remain; however, his base salary of $7.25M will be prorated.

Schaub only earns 3/16th of that amount.
The Texans can choose to go with just two QBs and save all that money (some $6M this year.

They can use that money on a veteran QB or at any other position.
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I like your first tag line about praying for your enemies. The second... what a joke.
Thanks, its from we were soldiers

And the 2nd one is no joke my friend
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lol. I was worried that today was going to unfold this way. Hardly anyone was giving baltimore any respect around here for the ravens front 7, and the duane brown injury was the worst timing with this stretch coming up. Now its knee jerk meltdown mode for the next month.
please can we wait 2 more weeks before you put a rip on my texans. I honestly believe they will be in the playoffs. I am not jumping off of the bridge yet.
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I run the OTC site and you are correct with the way you interpret it, which I think Lucky pointed out below as well. We maintain dead money estimates for every player and every year so that is why there is a discrepancy between our figures and Spotracs.

If the Texans were to release Schaub (and I dont think they would unless the team completely fell apart, because who would you replace him with) next year they could consider designating him a June 1 cut. What would happen is the Texans would carry his full cap hit until June 1. At that point his cap number would fall from $14 million to just $3.5 million with the $7 million balance being accounted for in 2015.

If the Texans were serious about wanting to move him they should see if a team like the Bucs or Browns would be interested in trading a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him.
Being as the Texans traded a 2nd for him to Atlanta and he has less tread on the tire, I couldn't see more than a 4th for him. Maybe the Bucs throw in Josh Freeman- Schiano is not a fan of his...
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Being as the Texans traded a 2nd for him to Atlanta and he has less tread on the tire, I couldn't see more than a 4th for him. Maybe the Bucs throw in Josh Freeman- Schiano is not a fan of his...
The Texans actually traded two 2nd rounders for Schaub. Does that mean we get two 4th rounders?
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The Texans actually traded two 2nd rounders for Schaub. Does that mean we get two 4th rounders?
wow- I forgot about that- thought it was 1 2nd...but it was two and Houston flip flopped 1st rd picks with atl....
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please can we wait 2 more weeks before you put a rip on my texans. I honestly believe they will be in the playoffs. I am not jumping off of the bridge yet.
I actually have us losing next 2, before fighting our way back into a heated playoff race w late season games vs Pats, Broncos, and Titans being pivitol.

Its gonna be a dog fight.
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I actually have us losing next 2, before fighting our way back into a heated playoff race w late season games vs Pats, Broncos, and Titans being pivitol.

Its gonna be a dog fight.
Don't agree. We lose the next two and the fan uproar will be cataclysmic. McNair knows about positive public perception and will quietly force some change.
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It was week 3. First half of week 4 looks different, second half of week 4 might look like week 3 or it might look like week 5 of last season. No matter what happens in weeks prior to about 12 it doesn't mean much.

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The defense played a fantastic football game and the offense completely gives the game away. We had the Seahawks flustered and playing poorly, yet we still cannot win against a good team.

I like Kubiak and his offensive system, but if he doesn't bench Schaub at this point, he is digging his own grave.
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The defense played a fantastic football game and the offense completely gives the game away. We had the Seahawks flustered and playing poorly, yet we still cannot win against a good team.

I like Kubiak and his offensive system, but if he doesn't bench Schaub at this point, he is digging his own grave.
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Well kubiak is saying that he called a bad play so it don't know what he's really thinking.
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