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Old 09-23-2013   #21
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Default Re: Ok everyone just calm down....

I'm calm, but the Texans have some things to fix and haven't really gotten out of the slow start slump yet.

A. Special Teams - We finished dead last in 2012. If not for Bullock touchbacks and Lechler bombs, we might already be there in 2013. Lanes are evidently only for freeways.

B. Schaub - Two (and virtually a third) pick six in three games? At most, one of those was on the WR. You expect your QB to get you out of holes, not to dig them for you.

C. Injuries - Brown missing was noticeable almost immediately. False start the first series and inability to punch it in down close twice. AJ being out we worked around at home, but Schaub couldn't manage to find folks open once he went out in Baltimore.

D. Playcalling - Even 610 pointed out to Schaub this morning that we're dead last in long pass attempts. 3rd and 10+? Let's run a draw or throw a 7-yd. route and pray. Maybe that'll work consistently against inferior competition, but not against a good/great defense.

Our team momentum isn't trending "up" yet.
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Default Re: Ok everyone just calm down....

As a fan base, we've tried to ignore in victory what we would not ignore on defeat. So now people will complain about symptoms that have been there since the start of the season.
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I'm not gonna calm down until I see a super bowl parade in downtown Houston. And I'll keep bitching and moaning about everything I don't like until then.
Yep

This acceptance of mediocrity is sickening.

Gary Kubiak is Head Coach for life.

Almost a decade later and Kubiak is really no better of a HC than he was as a rookie. (Yes I know his clock management and challanges have gotten better.) I mean when has Gary ever held his AC's accountable? He fired Bush to save his own skin, under direct orders from BoB.

Bottom line for me is: if Gary was a true leader Coach Joe would've been gone a long time ago.

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As a fan base, we've tried to ignore in victory what we would not ignore on defeat. So now people will complain about symptoms that have been there since the start of the season.
Absolutely right. The sky didn't fall yesterday, we've been knee deep in clouds all season.
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It could be worse.

At least we scored three field goals, Tampa Bay only scored one.

All other teams managed at least one TD.

The Giants didn't.
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Default Re: Ok everyone just calm down....

I'm calm, but this team really should be 0-3 and now have Seattle and SF looming. Good luck with that Texans. They'll have more losses than wins before too long.
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D. Playcalling - Even 610 pointed out to Schaub this morning that we're dead last in long pass attempts. 3rd and 10+? Let's run a draw or throw a 7-yd. route and pray. Maybe that'll work consistently agaisnt inferior competition, but not against a good/great defense.
Kubiak is the most predictible play caller in the league.
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I'm calm, but the Texans have some things to fix and haven't really gotten out of the slow start slump yet.

A. Special Teams - We finished dead last in 2012. If not for Bullock touchbacks and Lechler bombs, we might already be there in 2013. Lanes are evidently only for freeways.

B. Schaub - Two (and virtually a third) pick six in three games? At most, one of those was on the WR. You expect your QB to get you out of holes, not to dig them for you.

C. Injuries - Brown missing was noticeable almost immediately. False start the first series and inability to punch it in down close twice. AJ being out we worked around at home, but Schaub couldn't manage to find folks open once he went out in Baltimore.

D. Playcalling - Even 610 pointed out to Schaub this morning that we're dead last in long pass attempts. 3rd and 10+? Let's run a draw or throw a 7-yd. route and pray. Maybe that'll work consistently against inferior competition, but not against a good/great defense.

Our team momentum isn't trending "up" yet.
One thing I would add to this is defense is NOT forcing Turnovers. They are holding opponents down, but can only do so much with an innaffective offense.
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Default Re: Ok everyone just calm down....

This "we should be 0-3" is a bunch of a crap. We made plays to win those games. Oh no, we had to make plays to win a game. It wasn't pretty. Who gives a crap? Teams make plays. That's what happens in the NFL. Good on paper doesn't translate to good on the field.
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Does that mean you have confidence in Schaub to execute that plan ?! I'm rapidly losing faith in him.
Absolutely. He's looked good when he's run an uptempo offense. If we get Schaub in a rhythm, I think he can be great.
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This "we should be 0-3" is a bunch of a crap.
Agreed. But the notion that the team could be 0-3 is different than should be. In other words, don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't in defeat.
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The Giants didn't.

Missed that one.

I feel better now.

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I am calm

The Ravens game went as I expected it to based on history and what I consider to be a fair assessment of this team. They continue struggle against pretenders and continue to implode against contenders. While there are exceptions to this rule, for the most part, it's spot on. Fortunately, they are a good enough team to overcome the pretenders and in the past 2 years, that has equated to becoming the reigning NFL post season paper tiger. IMHO, that comes from a poor Special Teams component and a QB that is good. Not great, not elite.. Just good. I won't get down on Matt. All QB's will make mistakes and have bad games. Tell me the last time you saw a game that made you feel Matt was the reason the Texans won? ie, he carried the team to victory? And if so, who did they play?
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Agreed. But the notion that the team could be 0-3 is different than should be. In other words, don't ignore in victory what you wouldn't in defeat.
I don't deny we have issues, no one that follows this team should deny that. However, every team has issues. That doesn't make ours any bigger than everyone else. 2-1 sure beats 0-3.

Hopefully something positive comes from this beating.
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Yep

This acceptance of mediocrity is sickening.

Gary Kubiak is Head Coach for life.

Almost a decade later and Kubiak is really no better of a HC than he was as a rookie. (Yes I know his clock management and challanges have gotten better.) I mean when has Gary ever held his AC's accountable? He fired Bush to save his own skin, under direct orders from BoB.

Bottom line for me is: if Gary was a true leader Coach Joe would've been gone a long time ago.

Coach Joe Must Go
Just pointing out how silly this sounds. We were rattling off the problems this team had from week 1. None of those problems went away, but we managed to win 12 games in spite of them. We won the division, we won a play off game.. & it don't matter to me who we beat. They were there, they got beat.

All because Kubiak does a good job of covering up our weaknesses.

We lose one game & we're talking about mediocrity..... that's silly. There are real issues here, to make sht up.... that's just, well.... silly.
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I don't deny we have issues, no one that follows this team should deny that. However, every team has issues. That doesn't make ours any bigger than everyone else. 2-1 sure beats 0-3.

Hopefully something positive comes from this beating.
2-3, here we come.
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All because Kubiak does a good job of covering up our weaknesses.
He also does a pretty good job of creating those weaknesses. This is his team. He built it, he coached it, he selected the asst coaches, and he even selected his GM.
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I'm cool with trying more of that. Normally I would say well, we arent going to play a front 7 as talanted as the Ravens very often.....
We will be next week! Use that approach with the Seahawks, expect more pick sixes AND for Schaub to be killed!
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2-3, here we come.
Losing like THAT...especially when I live in the state, is bad. Even the damn cops at the gate were chirping in my ear this morning.
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Absolutely. He's looked good when he's run an uptempo offense. If we get Schaub in a rhythm, I think he can be great.
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He also does a pretty good job of creating those weaknesses. This is his team. He built it, he coached it, he selected the asst coaches, and he even selected his GM.
I wonder how much of that is his QB .... We know he cant move well. He doesn't have a strong arm .... and from the looks of the last three games , he isn't reading defenses very well. I have to wonder if the league has figured him out.
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