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Old 09-23-2013   #161
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So yes, I'm for giving T.J. and Case a look this season and see if they can be the answer. If not then drafting a QB becomes priority #1. This will never happen due to the brilliant contract extention Rick with Gary's blessings gave Schaub.
That brilliant extension does exactly that. Schaub can be culled at the end of the season & cost the Texans nothing in 2014 cap dollars.

However, understand that benching Schaub at any time during the season will reset the Kubiak clock. If you're willing to go 8-8 testing Tj & Keenum (I am) surely McNair is.
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We were talking about the teams we have played, remember? You described them as stout, I just posted their results from the season thus far. Any explanation on why those three teams are being described as stout by you?
you started the thread saying this is 8-8 or worse team remember.
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I don't understand the whole, "it's better that we start slow" nonsense. Sure, you'd like to get better over the course of the season, but the team doesn't need to play poorly in the beginning of the season for that to happen.
I believe the mature teams, with mature offenses should be able to start strong as the year begins & continue throughout the year getting better as they work in new players & new tweaks to their scheme.

We saw the mature Texans start strong last year, while everyone else was learning to gel. It fell apart at the end, just too many injuries.... Schaub, Sharpton never got right, Newton played hurt from week 13 I think, it wasn't just Sharpton but we had a carousel of ILBs going on there... had to sign guys off the street. Glover was playing hurt since Detroit I think.... it all just kept adding up & we never really found our groove.

This year I don't know what's going on. Andre, OD, Matt, Arian, Brown, Myers..... that should be enough offense to keep us in most games, but it "looks" anemic when you get down to the nutt cutting. DeAndre looks like a bright spot... & the only thing "really" hurting us are some bad decisions by the HC & the QB.
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you started the thread saying this is 8-8 or worse team remember.
I thought all that was already covered. Look at the thread title...

I still don't understand how the teams we played look stout thus far.
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My main concern is that they ended last year on an inconsistent streak and thus far this year are very inconsistent. This is a veteran team that shouldnt have to get better as the year goes on, they should be validating the "superbowl or bust" mantra and instead they keep making the same mistakes over and over. I'm not jumping off a cliff yet, but I will hold my tongue when trying to argue the Texans as contenders until they show that they can play more consistently.
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I would like to apologize for ridiculing this POV, even if only silently to myself. 8-8 looks like a real possibility now. All the good things they did in week one (aggressive playcalling) seems to have faded away, while all the bad things from week one (and two) seems to have carried through.

And well ... you know .... Schaub.
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stupid thread and its even more stupid that you prefaced youre stupid thought with, this is not a knee jerk reaction
In my opinion it's pretty stupid not to see what's been going on with this team the first 3 weeks and assume they're fine. They will struggle to make the playoffs, and then the Bengals will be ready this time around.
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you started the thread saying this is 8-8 or worse team remember.
I like your first tag line about praying for your enemies. The second... what a joke.
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The Texans are going to be gifted two wins by the Jags, and probably one more by the Titans. The Texans have a strong chance in any other game they are in.

The team sucks against elite talent. It did last year and the year before that. I think they can still win a Super Bowl, but the team is flawed.

The defense is JJ Watt, Brian Cushing, and a bunch of scrubs in the front seven. The corners are one of the best tandems in football, but there are no pass rushers.

The Texans are above average or good. What should concern us as fans should not be teams like the Broncos or Patriots, but the young teams like the Colts and Bengals, who are coming on very strong.
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The Texans are going to be gifted two wins by the Jags, and probably one more by the Titans.
Unfortunately if ANY team can anal spray a game away against the Jags it unfortunately IS the Texans so I don't count those as locks. Hope you're right and on paper yeah, should be money in the bank but you know what I'm saying.

I can't read the Titans now if they are bad or not.
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That brilliant extension does exactly that. Schaub can be culled at the end of the season & cost the Texans nothing in 2014 cap dollars.

However, understand that benching Schaub at any time during the season will reset the Kubiak clock. If you're willing to go 8-8 testing Tj & Keenum (I am) surely McNair is.
Show me where it will cost zero cap $$$$ in 2014 to cut Schaub. I've seen people post this, but according to what I've read on Spotrac this doesn't appear to be the case.

Since Gary is HC of the Houston Texans for life. I'm OK with resetting the clock. Who says they wil go 8-8? T.J/Case could come in and play better than Schaub. It wouldn't take much.
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In my opinion it's pretty stupid not to see what's been going on with this team the first 3 weeks and assume they're fine. They will struggle to make the playoffs, and then the Bengals will be ready this time around.
If you saw what was going on the first 2 weeks & knew everything was not fine, why are you taking this loss so hard?

Should have known we were going to struggle. Should have known we weren't going to blow the Ravens out of the water. Should have known there was a good possibility we would lose this game.

I had no idea the Dolphins were going to beat the Falcons. Well, I think I heard Jones & White were questionable.... still don't know if they played. But that was the only chance I thought they had.

I had no idea the 49ers would get spanked at home.

I had no idea the Packers were going to lose to the Bengals..

I had no idea the Giants were going to get shut out.

I had no doubt the Patriots would beat the Bucs...... I caution those fans for getting overly excited.

I had no doubt New Orleans was going to trash the Cardinals.

I had no doubt the Seahawks were going to kill the Jags.

The only reason to be as upset today about what happened yesterday is if you thought the Texans were going to go to M&T & own the Ravens. Knowing that we aren't playing particularly well & that we've never beat the Ravens at M&T this is just another game. This is "what should have happened." This is a "don't panic.... it's just one loss"

Unless you ignored what was happening the first two weeks of the season.
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If you saw what was going on the first 2 weeks & knew everything was not fine, why are you taking this loss so hard?

Should have known we were going to struggle. Should have known we weren't going to blow the Ravens out of the water. Should have known there was a good possibility we would lose this game.

I had no idea the Dolphins were going to beat the Falcons. Well, I think I heard Jones & White were questionable.... still don't know if they played. But that was the only chance I thought they had.

I had no idea the 49ers would get spanked at home.

I had no idea the Packers were going to lose to the Bengals..

I had no idea the Giants were going to get shut out.

I had no doubt the Patriots would beat the Bucs...... I caution those fans for getting overly excited.

I had no doubt New Orleans was going to trash the Cardinals.

I had no doubt the Seahawks were going to kill the Jags.

The only reason to be as upset today about what happened yesterday is if you thought the Texans were going to go to M&T & own the Ravens. Knowing that we aren't playing particularly well & that we've never beat the Ravens at M&T this is just another game. This is "what should have happened." This is a "don't panic.... it's just one loss"

Unless you ignored what was happening the first two weeks of the season.
Welcome to "Overreaction September"!!!

Well said- no one knows from one week to another what will happen until each team establishes an identity which takes 3-4-5 weeks...
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Show me where it will cost zero cap $$$$ in 2014 to cut Schaub. I've seen people post this, but according to what I've read on Spotrac this doesn't appear to be the case.
Sport trac is linking this page there's no dead money, no cap hit for cutting Matt before the 2014 season. Rick Smith & whatever his name is did a great job on Schaub's contract when you consider Sanchez is getting paid as much to watch Geno Smith from his living room. Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, & Joe Flacco are $100M dollar men.

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Since Gary is HC of the Houston Texans for life. I'm OK with resetting the clock. Who says they wil go 8-8? T.J/Case could come in and play better than Schaub. It wouldn't take much.
I said worse case scenario. I'm sure those guys will look great when everything is working. But how are they going to react to being a starting QB in the NFL. It's not as easy as Matt makes it look.

I want nothing more than for us to find a QB that can win us a Super Bowl. I don't care if his name is Matt, Taylor, or Case..... I'd be fine moving on from Matt Schaub, but I don't think that's where we're at right now.
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Sport trac is linking this page there's no dead money, no cap hit for cutting Matt before the 2014 season. Rick Smith & whatever his name is did a great job on Schaub's contract when you consider Sanchez is getting paid as much to watch Geno Smith from his living room. Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, & Joe Flacco are $100M dollar men.



I said worse case scenario. I'm sure those guys will look great when everything is working. But how are they going to react to being a starting QB in the NFL. It's not as easy as Matt makes it look.

I want nothing more than for us to find a QB that can win us a Super Bowl. I don't care if his name is Matt, Taylor, or Case..... I'd be fine moving on from Matt Schaub, but I don't think that's where we're at right now.
This http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.ph...xans&Year=2013 says there is 21M in dead money on Shaub right now and 10.5 cap hit to cut him....

Next year http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.ph...xans&Year=2014 its a 4M savings

If I read this correctly- I could be confused though...
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Sport trac is linking this page there's no dead money, no cap hit for cutting Matt before the 2014 season.
Texans would "save" $4 million versus the cap if they cut Schaub next offseason. But, they would still be on the hook for $10.5 million in bonus allocation, or dead money.

If Schaub on 2014 roster - $10 million salary + $1 million game bonuses + $3.5 million signing bonus allocation = $14.5 million cap hit

If Schaub is not on 2014 roster - Remaining signing bonus allocation (3 years x $3.5 million) = $10.5 million

Net Cap Savings by cutting Schaub after 2013 season = $14.5 million - $10.5 million = $4 million
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Texans would "save" $4 million versus the cap if they cut Schaub next offseason. But, they would still be on the hook for $10.5 million in bonus allocation, or dead money.

If Schaub on 2014 roster - $10 million salary + $1 million game bonuses + $3.5 million signing bonus allocation = $14.5 million cap hit

If Schaub is not on 2014 roster - Remaining signing bonus allocation (3 years x $3.5 million) = $10.5 million

Net Cap Savings by cutting Schaub after 2013 season = $14.5 million - $10.5 million = $4 million
Now we're talking! Good info. I hope we can get a new qb at least it is just too important and crucial to winning a super bowl. Patriots had all the injuries and drama but are still 3-0. Bill and Brady is the foundation and its strong. Our foundation is kubiak and schaub that's pretty weak.
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Texans would "save" $4 million versus the cap if they cut Schaub next offseason. But, they would still be on the hook for $10.5 million in bonus allocation, or dead money.

If Schaub on 2014 roster - $10 million salary + $1 million game bonuses + $3.5 million signing bonus allocation = $14.5 million cap hit

If Schaub is not on 2014 roster - Remaining signing bonus allocation (3 years x $3.5 million) = $10.5 million

Net Cap Savings by cutting Schaub after 2013 season = $14.5 million - $10.5 million = $4 million
Thanks. I knew I was looking at something wrong.
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Texans would "save" $4 million versus the cap if they cut Schaub next offseason. But, they would still be on the hook for $10.5 million in bonus allocation, or dead money.

If Schaub on 2014 roster - $10 million salary + $1 million game bonuses + $3.5 million signing bonus allocation = $14.5 million cap hit

If Schaub is not on 2014 roster - Remaining signing bonus allocation (3 years x $3.5 million) = $10.5 million

Net Cap Savings by cutting Schaub after 2013 season = $14.5 million - $10.5 million = $4 million
Then we need to trade him to a team that will take the hit?

Is that a possibility?

Trade him for anything ... a practice squad player ... a 7th ... anything.

Otherwise let him go and take the hit and move on. He is not a leader, he is not a good QB, even his former team-mates say he "sulks" when things don't go right. Time to cut the waste and move on.

To address the OP point, I will be happy with 8-8 if Schaub remains the starter based on how we've performed.
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Otherwise let him go and take the hit and move on. He is not a leader, he is not a good QB, even his former team-mates say he "sulks" when things don't go right. Time to cut the waste and move on.
this might be 3 or 4 years too late.. weve wasted so much time waiting for something from ths guy thats not there.. now were pretty much in too deep. unless we bring in a vet, bringing in a rookie next year admits were starting over and just basically wasted dres prime years.. we wont be an elite, feared team until we have an elite qb..

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Hopefully it'll be embarassing like last year's Bears game & we still get the W.
how was that one embarassing?? it was a hard fought defensive struggle. that SF game might get embarassing like the packers game on national tv. this team has a a history of looking completely unprepared just as the hype train is rolling at full speed.. every year it happens..
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