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View Poll Results: What needs be done to fix offense? (Vote for one or more.)
Start a different quarterback. 34 64.15%
Rewrite the playbook. 6 11.32%
Fire the offensive coordinator. 5 9.43%
Fire the head coach. 16 30.19%
Let somebody else call the plays. 9 16.98%
Abandon the zone blocking scheme. 2 3.77%
No change needed. 3 5.66%
Other 11 20.75%
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Old 09-23-2013   #21
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It's the O-Line, yo! Yeah, Kubiak has the tendency to stink up the joint, and yes his backup QB mentality has softened an already soft Matt Schaub, still, we've all seen Schaub shred defenses when he has a good, if not GREAT, pocket to throw out of. But Schaub isn't mentally tough (it appears), so he's shell shocked into oblivion right now because of poor offensive line play. In fact, I would say that Schaub helped us win the first couple of games, despite himself. Now, this game against the Ravens was just too much for him to bear.

I'm not buying the lisfranc bit, just yet.

So, what needs to be done this season? Yeah, replace Newton with Harris. Short to intermediate passes to strike quickly and help the O-Line, score fast a couple of times and see how they rush the passer then. Change your MO and you'll win games because nobody will expect Kubiak to change.

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When 2nd and long, throw it deep, EVERY time. Stop being predictable with runs. IDK, you just need to be more creative.

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Profootballreference.com has a feature called play finder.
They don't have an update for this week game yet, but through the first two games, the Texans called a pass play 86.7% of the time on 2nd and 7 yards or longer.
The rest of the league was at just over 60%.

Sorry, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
80 stated throw it deep EVERY time, not throw it. I've seen several throws many yards short of the 1st down marker this year. He's not necessarily barking up the wrong tree. Every time the Texans threw it deep on 2nd and long, I wasn't surprised. They are getting that predictable.

Where he's barking up the wrong tree is saying to throw it deep every time on 2nd and long to become unpredictable. The Texans have a pretty decent YPC and 3rd and 3-5 is much more makeable, percentage-wise, than 3rd and longer. Even when the box is stacked, the Texans run the ball better than most, regardless of down and distance.

IMHO, changing the pace of the game, instead of being anally concerned with TOP, would have a much bigger impact on games than play calling on a particular down and distance. Try dictating substitutions against our talent rather than puffing your chest out and saying we can beat you regardless by imposing our will on you. Most successful coaches use mismatches on a regular basis. Kubiak prefers pissing contests and relying on superior talent to win battles. More and more, it takes superior tactical and strategic play calling to win these contests. That's where Kubiak comes up short. He may have the longer schlong, but Lady Victory appears to enjoy the motion of the ocean as much as the depth, if not more. Being innovative tactically and fundamentally secure strategically is the answer to winning in the NFL these days.
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Fire HC then remove qb
Bingo. This should have been done 3 yrs. ago.
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Find someone to replace Newton , not having Brown really hurt today.

Also need a QB .... who can throw downfield and extend plays with his feet. Im done with "The statue of Schaub" Three picks in three games that either result in a pick 6 or fantastic field position resulting in 6. Had IT!

Find an OC who will call for routes that go beyond the marker on 3rd down & will take shots "Into" the endzone while in the redzone. This is really a big deal as a penalty in the endzone puts you at the 1 ..... with a 1st down.


Last but not least , get rid of Marciano .... that dude's concept of lane integrity is worse than a politicians concept of integrity.
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I agree with corrosion. I also think that if Kubes had a better qb,he would do more from a point of moving the pockets just to vs to make sure a dude with avg arm can have clean feet. They also need more speed at wr. They don't have a wr who can just flat out run guys. Andre still can run,but he's not the guy to eat the cushion like he used to. None of the te's can run either. When you look at the modern te's like gronk,hernandez,graham,and the cameron kid in cleveland,they have a common trait. They all are big guys who can run seam routes. None of the texans te's are those kind of threats. So derfense just cloud the middle and let them run those jerk routes.
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@Docbar

When the rest of the league call a pass 60% of the time, they clearly are not throwing it deep every time.

Why would anybody expect the Texans to?

Also, in the first two weeks, not only did the Texans throw the ball quite a bit more than the average of the league (meaning more than most of the teams) on 2nd and long, they also gained more per attempt.

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Find someone to replace Newton , not having Brown really hurt today.

Also need a QB .... who can throw downfield and extend plays with his feet. Im done with "The statue of Schaub" Three picks in three games that either result in a pick 6 or fantastic field position resulting in 6. Had IT!

Find an OC who will call for routes that go beyond the marker on 3rd down & will take shots "Into" the endzone while in the redzone. This is really a big deal as a penalty in the endzone puts you at the 1 ..... with a 1st down.


Last but not least , get rid of Marciano .... that dude's concept of lane integrity is worse than a politicians concept of integrity.
In the first two games, in the red zone, the Texans called a pass play 70% of the time; the rest of the league only some 56-57% of the time.

On these passing attempts, the Texans gained some .25 yard per play more than the rest of the league.

It's the total reverse of what you were expecting.
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Profootballreference.com has a feature called play finder.
They don't have an update for this week game yet, but through the first two games, the Texans called a pass play 86.7% of the time on 2nd and 7 yards or longer.
The rest of the league was at just over 60%.

Sorry, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
Where in my post did I specify 7 yards or longer? Learn to read..I said EVERY 2ND DOWN, its the 2nd and 3s that we should be taking our shots downfield, if its incomplete, you still have 3rd and short
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On third down, regardless of field position, the Texans averaged 8.52 yards to go, and they gained 7.33 yards per pass attempts on these plays.

The whole league (including the Texans) averaged 7.94/5.80

The Texans passed more on third downs; they had further to go, and they gained more.

Again, it is the reverse of what was expecting in this thread.
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Its called adapt to the new NFL. This isn't the 90s anymore The ZBS works, but you need to know its limitations and how to work around them. You need to open the aggression when in the red zone. You have 2 beast wide outs and yet you run 3 straight times and then kick a fg against a team who is good....wtf? The play calling is terrible and the design is over used. Become more creative. For instance, you have 2 elite runners, run shotgun with 2 backs (foster and tate) and make defenses guess where the ball is going. When 2nd and long, throw it deep, EVERY time. Stop being predictable with runs. IDK, you just need to be more creative.
"When 2nd and long, throw it deep, Everytime."

That is what you said, isn't it?
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I don't really have a problem with Kubiak's scheme. The only two problems I have with him are his play calls on occasion, which I can live with, and his marriage to Schaub. I think part of his play calling problems come from the little he has to work with at QB. His scheme works very well actually and he has been more committed to the run game recently than he has been in the past, which is a good thing.

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76Texan, personally don't think the texans have good footspeed on offense. I mean Aj still can run,but his 9 rt isn't the same as a few years ago,but his route running is top notch especialy for a wr of his size.I don't think you should have to wait to long situations or play action to throw the ball down the field. We watched the ravens lay dormant like an old volcano,then all of a sudden, big play to smith. Now the safety is staying a little further back,so are the lbs,and now the crossing rts have more space. As I said before,they need a bigger sense of urgency and create some matchup situations. To me,posey and martin need more time and targets while reducing the targets and time for the te combo. No team is bracketing nor rolling to either of those guys. Teams don't fear being beat by daniels nor graham. Neither guy have special or unique qualities.
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I'm ready to see some fresh blood at QB. Once the score got out of hand today, I wish Kubiak would've put Yates in and let him rip.
There's no way Kubiak makes that change, especially based on what happened the two weeks prior.

The score didn't put the game out of hand..... time ran out. Time ran out, because our defense couldn't get Baltimore off the field & when it finally did, it took us 5 minutes to get into field goal range.

At the next opportunity, we saw Cierre & Yates handing him the ball.
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IMHO, changing the pace of the game, instead of being anally concerned with TOP, would have a much bigger impact on games than play calling on a particular down and distance.
I think this is the biggest thing we need to do... not for the same reason or other benefits you mentioned (not that they aren't good)... But we need to get Schaub in a rhythm. & even the Schaub haters will have to admit when Matt's on, he's on. We just don't see him get into his groove often enough.

I know Kubiak thinks it's important to get Foster going, that he's the cog that makes everything works.. but everything revolves around the QB. Get him right, & Foster will get right.
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In the first two games, in the red zone, the Texans called a pass play 70% of the time; the rest of the league only some 56-57% of the time.

On these passing attempts, the Texans gained some .25 yard per play more than the rest of the league.

It's the total reverse of what you were expecting.
I think you are misunderstanding my thoughts here.


Im talking about throwing the ball "INTO" the endzone .... Not simply throwing the ball or the average length of route / pass combinations.

Having the target IN THE Endzone gives you a theoretical advantage in that you have either a completion , an incompletion or a penalty with the rules heavily favoring the offensive player. Two of those three possible outcomes are good for the offense ....

They didn't take advantage of that Vs the Ravens and the result is easy to see , settling for three FG's.
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They didn't take advantage of that Vs the Ravens and the result is easy to see , settling for three FG's.
It's simply not worth the risk... not to Kubiak & Schaub. The field goal game would have beat the Ravens if not for the pick 6 he threw & the STs touchdown. After that, we never really had a chance to throw one into the endzone, or we would have, just like we did against Tennessee, or San Diego.

I know what you're thinking. We should strike any time the opportunity presents itself... & depending on your mindset, we do & will. But the Ravens were keeping our guys in front of them all game, just like we were doing to them. When we were in the red zone, I'm sure Matt saw too many of them, not enough of us & chose to check it down..... just like they wanted. Taking what the defense gives you.

Had Schaub thrown it into the endzone & they picked off the ball... we come away with no points, it would have been even uglier.

Matt got frustrated yesterday. He tried to lead OD for a big play... he "never" leads a receiver. OD let him down & didn't get to the ball. It's really that simple. Had Matt played his "normal" conservative game, that ball would have been on ODs back hip. He would have caught it, or it would have been incomplete & we continue to play small ball with the Ravens.
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I think you are misunderstanding my thoughts here.


Im talking about throwing the ball "INTO" the endzone .... Not simply throwing the ball or the average length of route / pass combinations.

Having the target IN THE Endzone gives you a theoretical advantage in that you have either a completion , an incompletion or a penalty with the rules heavily favoring the offensive player. Two of those three possible outcomes are good for the offense ....

They didn't take advantage of that Vs the Ravens and the result is easy to see , settling for three FG's.
I would have liked to see Hopkins have a chance to go get it in the end zone .

With Schaub as a QB you don't have to worry about him running and you don't have to cover long .
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I would have liked to see Hopkins have a chance to go get it in the end zone .

With Schaub as a QB you don't have to worry about him running and you don't have to cover long .
Hopkins , AJ & Posey all have a size advantage over the majority of DB's covering them .... Throw it high and allow your receiver to make a bleeping play.

Those high & away throws to the deep corner of the endzone (or sideline in general) are very difficult to defend with a low chance the DB can get a paw on it.


The more I think about it , the more I think the issues revolve around Schaub's inadequacies than any other factor.
He's fine as long as he has a clean pocket .... but all too often in the NFL that just isn't the case.
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I had to think about whether to vote for getting rid of Schaub or Kubiak, ending up voting for getting rid of Schaub since that'll be a quicker fix. Although getting rid of either or both would make me happy.

The problem is that neither TJ or Keenum are ready to start, so you'd have to just go ahead throw one of them to the wolves.
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I get why you'd throw the ball in front of the sticks or just short of the end zone at times. The defense is usually giving you that space and if your guy can catch it and make a play it can work out nicely.

But Schaub doesn't throw the ball well enough for that. A lot of his throws are late with little velocity. Look at the throw to Andre yesterday. He bobbled it, but it was not a good throw at all. Ball should have been out in front if him, thrown quicker so he could catch it and quickly turn up field to beast for the first down.

We can't consistently be a good team if we have to constantly fight to make up for the shortcomings of the qb. That should be reversed. The qb should be mostly making up for shortcomings of others.
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