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Old 09-22-2013   #121
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oook you want a 2nd and 6, Foster left for a yard and a half, or how about a 3 and 8 and a throw for 6 yards in route. shall I keep going?

You don't see Harbaugh drawing up a middle draw on a 3rd and 15 do you, hell you don't see ANY other coach in this league drawing up a middle draw play on 3rd 15, 3rd and 10 so on and so forth. No they take shots down the field, they don't give up and try and play "field position" even though they are down 17 points....

what is maddening is fans STILL do not get what Kubiak is all about...
Did you watch the 49ers today?
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I think they have to be very concerned with their offense. Don't you?

Other teams besides the Texans are having issues. Does that mean the Texans and their fans shouldn't be concerned about what is happening here? I don't know where you're going with this.
I just think it's a little early to start talking about getting rid of our coach, kicker and qb. Really good teams can have problems early in the season is where I was going with that. I think Baltimore lost this game last year and it didn't turn out to bad for them. And yes, they looked at least as bad(in their loss to us last year) as we did today.
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Texans won't go 8-8. Schedule softens up and I don't THINK they're bad enough to totally diarrhea the season up like that. However, if they do or fall below that, it is time for changes.

Marciano needs to be fired last year.

Texans need an OC, no more Denny's menu.

Texans need actual QB competition with either Yates and Keenum or bring in someone. And that is coming from someone who defended Schaub for years....but I defended HWNSNBM up until the end too so I'm close to done with Schaub. His INT's are more than expected every game nowadays.

This team could so easily be 0-3 and have earned the poof lion.

What makes it even more superfantastical is that the sunshine pumpers will try to make the realists who see the flaws in this team out to be villians somehow or somehow they "don't know football" as they explain away picks due to some quasi BS caused by the receiver not seeing the ball due to the winter solstice or some $hit.

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Im interested to see how they rebound. A nice trouncing of the Seahawks would go a long way. Their fans are getting rather chippy
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Dude. When our offensive line is blocking (we have seen it in 2011), this offense is damn near unstoppable, and thats WITH Schaub. Imagine with an Oline AND a talented QB.
To be fair, Schaub looks great when we're in a hurry up offense. He looks great when we're throwing the ball a lot. He looks great when we're throwing the ball down field.

& I'm talking about this year.

But we worry about Matt taking too many hits. If he's going to be dropping back & throwing a lot, he's going to get smacked around with the way our line's been playing.

Then Arian gets better with touches, so we've "got" to feed him the ball.

So Kubiak needs to find a way to get Matt in a rhythm & throwing the ball early.... at the same time, we need to get Arian some touches. You'd think that shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
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I just think it's a little early to start talking about getting rid of our coach,
Uh-Oh I have been doing that going on 3 years already. I wanted McNair to hire Jim Harbaugh Jan 2011. Today I want McNair to hire Oliver Luck as GM and David Shaw as Head Coach.
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Uh-Oh I have been doing that going on 3 years already. I wanted McNair to hire Jim Harbaugh Jan 2011. Today I want McNair to hire Oliver Luck as GM and David Shaw as Head Coach.
Im ok with that as long as Andrew comes along with him in a couple years.
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I don't believe we'll fall to 8-8 but I do think there is a chance we may not win this division and instead will have to fight for the wild card. Or said simply the division crown may not be a certain matter like the previous two years.
That would be great. We'd be like the last 3 Super Bowl winners.
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Really good teams can have problems early in the season is where I was going with that. I think Baltimore lost this game last year and it didn't turn out to bad for them. And yes, they looked at least as bad(in their loss to us last year) as we did today.
That's true. But the Ravens didn't just sit back and hope things got better. They identified their problem and made a pretty drastic move in changing OCs in season. I think what you've been saying is that everything's peachy and this will turnaround on its own. To fix a problem, first someone has to admit there's a problem. I'm wondering if the Texans will get that far. What I fear is the Texans following your line of thinking.
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Uh-Oh I have been doing that going on 3 years already. I wanted McNair to hire Jim Harbaugh Jan 2011. Today I want McNair to hire Oliver Luck as GM and David Shaw as Head Coach.
I would of loved Harbaugh in 2011. We were not getting him so who was your second choice. I don't think Kubiak is the best coach in the league and I think his system is getting kinda dated. But I do think he is above average and I think if we get rid of him odds are not great that we would get someone better. I don't want a change just to change. We are a winning and I sure don't want to go back to losing. We keep getting into the playoff's we just might win the big one.

I'll stick with our GM. I think he is one of the top guys in the league.
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That's true. But the Ravens didn't just sit back and hope things got better. They identified their problem and made a pretty drastic move in changing OCs in season. I think what you've been saying is that everything's peachy and this will turnaround on its own. To fix a problem, first someone has to admit there's a problem. I'm wondering if the Texans will get that far. What I fear is the Texans following your line of thinking.
I'm not sure you know what my line of thinking is.lol Good post otherwise.

What change would you make?
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I don't think there is anything wrong with Kubiak's offensive system. It's effective. His problem right now is his predictability in play calling in certain circumstances and his decision to marry himself to Matt Schaub. He can fix those things and run this same system. The question is: will he actually do that?
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Funny thing is if we would have won, this would not have counted as a quality win, since the Ravens haven't "looked" that great so far. But since we lost, this is "exactly" the kind of game Schaub & Kubiak chokes up for.

Can't just be another loss...... no one expects us to go undefeated, but damn them all to hell if they lose one game.
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I'm not sure you know what my line of thinking is.lol Good post otherwise.

What change would you make?
I know you are talking to Lucky, but I will take a crack at that.

First thing I do is bench Matt Schaub. We know what he is capable of and it is just not enough with this current roster. I put in either Yates or Keenum and see what kind of NFL gamers they are. Second, I go to rock Smith's office and I start talking about acquiring a RT via trade. That's probably a long shot, but I would want to atleast have that conversation. Third, I try to figure out what schematic changes can be made to the defense that will help us better stop elite passing teams, as the problem appear to be more scheme-related than player-based.

Changing the QB is essential. I can't imagine the players have a lot of confidence in Schaub and a change of leadership alone may provide a much needed spark. Additionally, Schaub's play is just not good enough and it's progressively getting worse.
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What change would you make?
The biggest problem I see now is that defenses view Schaub as a sitting duck. So, the first change I would make is going with a more traditional WCO. Short passes on early downs with the backs in pass routes further downfield. That would ease the blitzes that Schaub now has trouble with. It would also allow Foster and Tate to get into the open field more.

If that doesn't work, and Schaub still can't avoid mistakes, I put in Yates. Yates has had problems with mistakes in the past, clearly. But, he can at least move in the pocket and avoid the rush. That's killing this team. A more mobile QB would put the PA bootleg back in the game plan.
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Funny thing is if we would have won, this would not have counted as a quality win, since the Ravens haven't "looked" that great so far. But since we lost, this is "exactly" the kind of game Schaub & Kubiak chokes up for.

Can't just be another loss...... no one expects us to go undefeated, but damn them all to hell if they lose one game.
It's not just the one game. We were outplayed in the SD game, heavily in the first half. Rivers made a very poor throw over the middle of the field that completely changed that game. If not for that, we'd have lost. You can't count on the other team to screw up. We also looked bad against Tennessee.

This really isn't about one game, look at how we played at the end of the year last year. Schaub was terrible and our defense got annihilated by the patriots passing attack. These problems are continuing into this season.
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I know you are talking to Lucky, but I will take a crack at that.

First thing I do is bench Matt Schaub. We know what he is capable of and it is just not enough with this current roster. I put in either Yates or Keenum and see what kind of NFL gamers they are. Second, I go to rock Smith's office and I start talking about acquiring a RT via trade. That's probably a long shot, but I would want to atleast have that conversation. Third, I try to figure out what schematic changes can be made to the defense that will help us better stop elite passing teams, as the problem appear to be more scheme-related than player-based.

Changing the QB is essential. I can't imagine the players have a lot of confidence in Schaub and a change of leadership alone may provide a much needed spark. Additionally, Schaub's play is just not good enough and it's progressively getting worse.
I think the defense is running more zone this year(just from listening to the announcers). As for Schaub I still think he is the best guy we have on the roster. I don't think our future qb is on the team. Hopefully I'm wrong about that. Trades don't seem to happen much in the NFL but I'm all for trying our o-line is playing pretty bad.

Right now I wouldn't do much of anything. I'm not going to blow up the team after 1 loss. Ask me in a couple of weeks and I might change my tune. I wouldn't wait till we are 2 and 6 to do something.
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I would of loved Harbaugh in 2011. We were not getting him so who was your second choice. I don't think Kubiak is the best coach in the league and I think his system is getting kinda dated. But I do think he is above average and I think if we get rid of him odds are not great that we would get someone better. I don't want a change just to change. We are a winning and I sure don't want to go back to losing. We keep getting into the playoff's we just might win the big one.

I'll stick with our GM. I think he is one of the top guys in the league.
I didn't have a 2nd choice, I don't believe in changing coaches for sake of change, only if there is a better alternative, Harbaugh was and so is David Shaw. Kubiak's decision to hire Frank Bush w/o interviewing one of several successful DC available told me Kubiak commitment to friends exceeded his commitment to excellence. IMHO Kubiak coaches soft. Some of Kubiak's success has come at the expense of Peyton Manning's broken neck and Jeff Fisher's departure from Tenn. Today those teams are much much better, and getting better every year. They have lots of money and no real salary cap problems.

Rick Smith is a GM in the mold of Scott Pioli. When Scott was in New England not Kansas City. Like the way Pioli was Belichick right hand man Rick Smith is Kubiak's right hand man. Kubiak has full control and final say on the 53 man roster, it's in his contract.
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I just think it's a little early to start talking about getting rid of our coach, kicker and qb. Really good teams can have problems early in the season is where I was going with that. I think Baltimore lost this game last year and it didn't turn out to bad for them. And yes, they looked at least as bad(in their loss to us last year) as we did today.
I know we can go back to how Baltimore looked at this time last year. We can also look at Giants teams in the past that come around in December and blow everyone's doors off. The complaint with this team is, and always has been the coach and to a lesser degree the QB. They don't seem to have that special something that is going to set the league on fire.

I'm too lazy to link to it, but in the Chron they had a quote from Kubiak that said "We battled back and got a field goal". That's it? A field goal? This team is killing me and I hate to see a great player like AJ get dragged down with it.

It's on me... that's all we ever seem to hear. I look at the Division and after only a couple years the Titans look reloaded and ready to go. The Colts had one down year and are already all over it again.

I hate to be a downer three weeks into the season but damn... These next few weeks are going to be super brutal.
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The biggest problem I see now is that defenses view Schaub as a sitting duck. So, the first change I would make is going with a more traditional WCO. Short passes on early downs with the backs in pass routes further downfield. That would ease the blitzes that Schaub now has trouble with. It would also allow Foster and Tate to get into the open field more.

If that doesn't work, and Schaub still can't avoid mistakes, I put in Yates. Yates has had problems with mistakes in the past, clearly. But, he can at least move in the pocket and avoid the rush. That's killing this team. A more mobile QB would put the PA bootleg back in the game plan.
That seems reasonable. I would be fine with all of that.
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