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Old 09-22-2013   #41
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Concerned about the OL and the defensive backfield. Both are playing poorly so far.

Rest of the team seems to be ok.
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Honestly, the most excited I was as a Texan fan was the season Yates took over. I feel like the excitement has been draining ever since that season. It wasn't because we played great football. It was because we reached our peak but I thought the future was bright.

I can't see Schaub winning a SupeR Bowl. I agree with Derrick Ward. Schaub doesn't inspire confidence. He doesn't have a spark to him. And it seems like his best games usually come when we dig ourselves in a hole against inexperienced teams. When we dig ourselves in a hole against more seasoned teams they step on our necks.

We need a new direction. This current flavor has peaked.
I kind of havce the same feeling. I actually think if Schaub doesn't get hurt that year, we had our best chance to reach the SB. This team looks more like the 2010 team, but maybe for different reasons. That team couldn't stop anyone. This team has a better D, but the ST are worse and the offense is worse.
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All they needed to do was secure first downs and get into field goal range in order to close out the game. Baltimore did that with a below average passing attack.
Yes they did, but let's not act like Baltimore is the jaguars or some scrub team struggling to breathe.

Baltimore has some decent targets and Flacco can throw it around sometimes. Bottom line is the defense was on the field all day and we did nothing offensively to put pressure on the ravens. It's hard on a defense when an offense has little pressure to score points. They can be methodical. Do what they want. Pick and choose their spots.

Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
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Yes they did, but let's not act like Baltimore is the jaguars or some scrub team struggling to breathe.

Baltimore has some decent targets and Flacco can throw it around sometimes. Bottom line is the defense was on the field all day and we did nothing offensively to put pressure on the ravens. It's hard on a defense when an offense has little pressure to score points. They can be methodical. Do what they want. Pick and choose their spots.

Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
I don't disagree with you. My point was to highlight what is likely to happen against better teams when we play the kind of offense we are playing. The offense we saw today wasn't a fluke either, this is what we are likely to see for the majority of the season.
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Why do I keep seeing the words 2010 in my dreams? This is 2010 all over again. A couple of good and somewhat lucky comeback wins make everyone feel better than they should. Eventually the emperor has no clothes.

Our passing game stinks. We don't air it out until we have too. It's all underneath stuff, and that is what led to the int. I mean, he looked at the film. Those little 3-5 yard routes are the vast majority of Schaub's game until he is forced to do otherwise. So once again for the 3rd game in a row, Schaub makes one or more huge mistakes that turn the tide of the game. I've about had it with this guy.

Our pass pro is average at best, and that's with D Brown. Harris hasn't been that bad today. The RT stinks. How many times on 3rd and long can Kubiak call a draw? Sheeat. This team just goes into a shell.

Joe M's unit is still as bad as ever. Another game changing play. Those two plays were the game. Period.

D didn't play bad at all overall, but enough with the offsides. Jeesbus. Also, at key moments, they let the Ravens convert, with penalties playing a big role.

This team is staring 2-3 in the face. If the Ravens did it to us, the 49ers and Seahawks surely will.

I hate to agree with the OP, but right now this team looks very, very, average. 8 or 9 wins looks about right.
I agree with the bolded. The start to the season is the same as 2010. Two comeback wins to start the season.. The difference to me is the roles look to be reversed. The defense looks fine, not historically bad like 2010: the offense is the unit struggling. The "O" has struggled the first three games and I don't know how much better they will be the next two games against some rather good defenses in Seattle & San Francisco. I think the Texans should come out as if they were behind to start the game against Seattle. They should throw the ball downfield. They have the weapons to do so finally but still haven't done it until the games have been in jeopardy.
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We've seen three extremely shaky games thus far. A prediction of .500 is not off base. Have you not seen our remaining schedule?

Explain what it is that you have seen that makes you think that the prediction is so terrible, please.
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Early front-runner for worst thread of the year?
I am about as optimistic as they come but I'm even a bit worried right now. Everything I've seen, not defensively mind you, has reminded of the 2010 season and they finished 6-10 that year I believe.
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This time last year, the general feeling about this team was 180 degrees from where it is now. Just last week, the general feeling about the Baltimore Ravens was exactly what we are saying here.

WHYDFML

Three weeks in a row we've seen "issues" & I understand the doom & gloom being that we've seen little to make us believe we're getting better.

But I'm still optimistic. Why? Because Schaub is who he is. I don't expect him to get better, or step it up, or become something he's not. He's going to put up 4,000 or so yards (no big deal in today's NFL) & twenty some odd TDs. I'm not expecting Gary Kubiak to morph into Belichick. He's going to be who he's been. He's not going to get too "wacky" with the play calling, he's not going to get overly emotional, he's going to continue to methodically find a way to put together wins.

But I didn't see LeStar Jean out there today. That tells me Devier Posey is getting healthy. I saw 2 great catches by KeShawn Martin on 3 or 4 targets. I saw DeAndre Hopkins make some great catches. They're all pretty fast guys, including Andre. With the exception of Posey, they've all shown to be effective across the middle. Like 2009, we've got the tools to be a dynamic passing offense.

Defensively... not a lot to see there. We need to keep them off the field (& the opposing teams offense as well).

Bad game.... ugly game... but we knew that was coming. Onto next week.
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Another thing about the defense is the lack of consistent pass rush. Man-coverage + below average pass rush = bad things.
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Yes they did, but let's not act like Baltimore is the jaguars or some scrub team struggling to breathe.

Baltimore has some decent targets and Flacco can throw it around sometimes. Bottom line is the defense was on the field all day and we did nothing offensively to put pressure on the ravens. It's hard on a defense when an offense has little pressure to score points. They can be methodical. Do what they want. Pick and choose their spots.

Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
We call that "turtling up" around here.
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There has been 1constant since the GB game last year:

Unless its JJ Watt, the defense can't generate a pass rush unless they blitz.

Wade's defense is getting exposed and has been for some time.

I'm of the opinion that even if we had a better qb, we'd have issues stoping good to great qb's when we needed to.

This week it was the offense who let us down...what about the 2 weeks before?

They just don't look good on defense at all.
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This time last year, the general feeling about this team was 180 degrees from where it is now. Just last week, the general feeling about the Baltimore Ravens was exactly what we are saying here.

WHYDFML

Three weeks in a row we've seen "issues" & I understand the doom & gloom being that we've seen little to make us believe we're getting better.

But I'm still optimistic. Why? Because Schaub is who he is. I don't expect him to get better, or step it up, or become something he's not. He's going to put up 4,000 or so yards (no big deal in today's NFL) & twenty some odd TDs. I'm not expecting Gary Kubiak to morph into Belichick. He's going to be who he's been. He's not going to get too "wacky" with the play calling, he's not going to get overly emotional, he's going to continue to methodically find a way to put together wins.

But I didn't see LeStar Jean out there today. That tells me Devier Posey is getting healthy. I saw 2 great catches by KeShawn Martin on 3 or 4 targets. I saw DeAndre Hopkins make some great catches. They're all pretty fast guys, including Andre. With the exception of Posey, they've all shown to be effective across the middle. Like 2009, we've got the tools to be a dynamic passing offense.

Defensively... not a lot to see there. We need to keep them off the field (& the opposing teams offense as well).

Bad game.... ugly game... but we knew that was coming. Onto next week.
Oddly enough, our receivers and tight ends don't appear to be the problem. I think we have sufficient weapons to have a good passing attack. The problem is clearly the QB. Schaub was above average at the beginning of last season, since that time he has only become worse.
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There has been 1constant since the GB game last year:

Unless its JJ Watt, the defense can't generate a pass rush unless they blitz.

Wade's defense is getting exposed and has been for some time.

I'm of the opinion that even if we had a better qb, we'd have issues stoping good to great qb's when we needed to.

This week it was the offense who let us down...what about the 2 weeks before?

They just don't look good on defense at all.
It was still the offense. Schaub has basically thrown three pick-6 this season and the offense has gone dead cold at times in the middle of games. I'm worried about the offense, not the defense.
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We call that "turtling up" around here.
Baltimore did turtle up.

But they did it because they didn't fear our offense at all. If they were playing a more potent offense today I think they'd have pressed harder.
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I'm of the opinion that even if we had a better qb, we'd have issues stoping good to great qb's when we needed to.

This week it was the offense who let us down...what about the 2 weeks before?

They just don't look good on defense at all.
You're complaining about the defense after they give up a total of 246 yards? They gave up 248 and 263 the weeks prior. Stop the misdirection. Everyone with eyes saw what the problem was today.
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It was still the offense. Schaub has basically thrown three pick-6 this season and the offense has gone dead cold at times in the middle of games. I'm worried about the offense, not the defense.

Im equally worried about both to be honest...the o-line looks like garbage which has the qb uneasy back there and we're unable to really run the ball like kubes wants to. One the defensive side, we cant generate pressure with 3-4 man rushes and the defensive secondary is looking 2010 ish....
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You're complaining about the defense after they give up a total of 246 yards? They gave up 248 and 263 the weeks prior. Stop the misdirection. Everyone with eyes saw what the problem was today.
Yeah, b/c total yards tells the whole story....

There's no misdirection, there's no faucet of this team that looks ready to take the next step up to a super bowl. Rivers torched them week 1 and they made locker lok like he's a competent NFL qb....
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Put more points up and all of a sudden they aren't so calm and cool. Play calls are different. The pressure to score is there.
You could see the difference in Wade Phillips defensive lay calling- Dumbledorf even saw it. The pass rush was passive when they were behind. Lots more Zone in the back end.
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