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Old 09-21-2013   #181
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I don't give a rats ass he took money in college, I just want him to start running like he used to. We got the Ravens, Seahawks, 49ers, and the surprising 3-0 Chiefs in four of our next five games. That's a tough schedule for any team.
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However, college football and all college sports has been successful and has grown all these years under the current system where they aren't paid and where they get a free education and college experience. But I guess a free education isn't worth a damn these days to the self entitled.
I'm not going to defend the current model, but it blows my mind that this point is glossed over in every argument for paying the players.
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I'm not going to defend the current model, but it blows my mind that this point is glossed over in every argument for paying the players.
Yeah, it's not like an education isn't worth at least $25,000 dollars to a major University when it is all said and done. And I'm low balling that figure pretty hard.

Shoot, if I had a degree right now I can promise you that I'd be making a lot more money and have a lot more opportunities. It's my fault that I don't have one, but I didn't have parents who would pay for an entire semester again and again for several years. People forget what a degree can and a big name as an ex college athlete can do for you in this country. For example, how many companies do you think would probably hire Vince YOung in Austin or in HOuston if VY gets a diploma from Texas? I can guarantee you that it probably would take him that long to get a nice cozy desk job somewhere that would pay him at least $75K which is nice money in any city in Texas. People tend to forget that kind of thing and how valuable that is for some ex athlete who has no job experience doing anything else.
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Yeah, it's not like an education isn't worth at least $25,000 dollars to a major University when it is all said and done. And I'm low balling that figure pretty hard.

Shoot, if I had a degree right now I can promise you that I'd be making a lot more money and have a lot more opportunities. It's my fault that I don't have one, but I didn't have parents who would pay for an entire semester again and again for several years. People forget what a degree can and a big name as an ex college athlete can do for you in this country. For example, how many companies do you think would probably hire Vince YOung in Austin or in HOuston if VY gets a diploma from Texas? I can guarantee you that it probably would take him that long to get a nice cozy desk job somewhere that would pay him at least $75K which is nice money in any city in Texas. People tend to forget that kind of thing and how valuable that is for some ex athlete who has no job experience doing anything else.
That's simply not true. A BSEE will earn you around $40K starting out. With 10 or so years experience, you'll get to $60K. BSEE's are very much in demand right now. It's one of the highest paid fields right out of college.

There are degreed engineers looking for work at McDonalds right now. Do not underestimate the job market. It is very poor right now. VY's name recognition might get him $75K a year but his degree would get him maybe half that.
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Yeah, it's not like an education isn't worth at least $25,000 dollars to a major University when it is all said and done. And I'm low balling that figure pretty hard.

Shoot, if I had a degree right now I can promise you that I'd be making a lot more money and have a lot more opportunities. It's my fault that I don't have one, but I didn't have parents who would pay for an entire semester again and again for several years. People forget what a degree can and a big name as an ex college athlete can do for you in this country. For example, how many companies do you think would probably hire Vince YOung in Austin or in HOuston if VY gets a diploma from Texas? I can guarantee you that it probably would take him that long to get a nice cozy desk job somewhere that would pay him at least $75K which is nice money in any city in Texas. People tend to forget that kind of thing and how valuable that is for some ex athlete who has no job experience doing anything else.

First an apology: I haven't read all the posts. I have seen many threads like this one where all the "loyal" fans are vehemently against paying student athletes more money. Few realize that football players often do not have enough $ to eat---much less ask a girl out. I had a son who was on a D1 "full scholarship". He received $960 a month because he choose to live off campus. If he had choosen to live in a dorm, he would have received much less because the dorm rent would have been subtracted from the $960. Nevertheless, his rental cost him about $450 a month (dorm rents were about $600). That left him with about $500 to live on for the month---$125 a week. On top of the other school expenses that were covered, he had to pay for parking at $500 a semester, food (what do think it costs a week to feed a 250 Lb football player?) school supplies like computers, clothing, auto insurance, gas, utility bills, car repairs, cell phone, and off the field health insurance. He often was too broke to have a night out.

I'm not saying that we should pay these kids millions, but we should pay them enough so they can live comfortably on what they are given. I'm not talking new cars. I'm talking old cars. I'm talking enough money so that on top of the stress of trying to play football, and get good grades, they shouldn't have the added stress of wondering what they are going to do for food.

When I went to college, I worked my way through and graduated in 6 years. I wrestled for a couple of years, but had to give it up because I had to work----no schollies for Wrestling.

UCLA plays new Mexico State tonight. NMST is gonna get a whooping. But NMST is going to make nearly a million dollars. The kids will get beat up pretty badly, but the coach makes a cool $500,000. The 90,000+ fans iin the Rose bowl will have a great time, tailgating, drinking beer, wearing the colors, eating BBQ and watching the game. The vendors will all clean up. The players will get a soggy sandwich and a Gatoraide. Fair?
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First an apology: I haven't read all the posts. I have seen many threads like this one where all the "loyal" fans are vehemently against paying student athletes more money. Few realize that football players often do not have enough $ to eat---much less ask a girl out. I had a son who was on a D1 "full scholarship". He received $960 a month because he choose to live off campus. If he had choosen to live in a dorm, he would have received much less because the dorm rent would have been subtracted from the $960. Nevertheless, his rental cost him about $450 a month (dorm rents were about $600). That left him with about $500 to live in for the month---$125 a week. On top of the other school expenses that were covered, he had to pay for parking at $500 a semester, food (what do think it costs a week to feed a 250 Lb football player?) school supplies like computers, clothing, auto insurance, gas, utility bills, car repairs, cell phone, and off the field health insurance. He often was too broke to have a night out.

I'm not saying that we should pay these kids millions, but we should pay them enough so they can live comfortably on what they are given. I'm not talking new cars. I'm talking old cars. I'm talking enough money so that on top of the stress of trying to play football, and get good grades, they shouldn't have the added stress of wondering what they are going to do for food.

When I went to college, I worked my way through and graduated in 6 years. I wrestled for a couple of years, but had to give it up because I had to work----no schollies for Wrestling.

UCLA plays new Mexico State tonight. NMST is gonna get a whooping. But the school is going to make nearly a million dollars. The kids will get beat up pretty badly, but the coach makes a cool $500,000. The fans will have a great time, tailgating, drinking beer, wearing the colors, eating BBQ and watching the game. The vendors will all clean up. The players will get a soggy sandwich and a coke. Fair?
What about the Pell grant $$$$ that most athletes receive in addition to what you listed above.
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So basically you could care less what any Houston Texan athlete does or says as long as it doesn't effect his current team? Is there any line that you draw at all or is anything okay as long as they play for "your" favorite team? Glad to know that people stand for something here.

This is like saying well that guy that was drunk last night at a .20 and drove his car home from the bar was just fine as long as he didn't hit me or my family members. He hit someone else, but it wasn't one of us so since we weren't effected I don't see it as an issue.

Sure my example was a little extreme involving drinking and driving, but it's the same concept that I could apply to tons of things. It's a selfish mentality that suggests you have no problem with anything until you or your personal interests are effected by it. Until that happens, life can go on as is, but when it happens to me...............
Don't sit there and try to act you know anything about me. He took money in college, big deal. He didn't kill anyone, he didn't rape anyone...hell, it's not even a misdemeanor. The line draws itself.

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I find this as such a big non issue just because I've known a TON of guys that received extra benefits in college. Money, free meals, all kinds of stuff. Arian was either brave enough or stupid enough to admit it here depending on what side of the fence you stand on.

I see nothing wrong with kids being bought a meal, and don't see a problem with a kid getting 100 dollars in an envelope from a stranger so he can have a good weekend. When it extends to kids receiving cars and those kinds of luxuries then I can see where its a problem. The argument would be then well where do you draw the line, and thats where I understand the argument on both sides.
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What about the Pell grant $$$$ that most athletes receive in addition to what you listed above.
Good question. A Pell grant is worth about $5,500 a year, another $450 a month. Undoubtedly, a Pell grant helps, but "most athletes" do not receive a Pell Grant. On a team of about 100 kids maybe 25 receive Pell Grants. Some parents have the $ to help the players with extra cash each month, some don't. The fact that they need to send money (if they have it) to the players belies the "Full scholarship" misnomer. A Pell grant is dependent on how much the "Family" makes. A family might make ok money, and therefore be ineligible for a Pell grant, but can not send their player money because they have other kids in college, have health problems, parents with health problems, etc. Also it's up to the parents or the player to fill out the FASFA form to see if they are eligible, and some famlies/kids are not up to this.

You have to realize that Pell grants are not just for football players or even other athletes, but for any student whose family falls into a low adjusted income bracket. So this is not just money for football players, and really isn't a lot to start with.

Another thing, the $960 a month mentioned above is just for when school is in session. Christmas break, Spring Break, Thanksgiving, they get "short checks". However, the landlord doesn't want to hear "short check" when the rent is due, nor do restaurants or supermarkets understand this concept very well. If a kid chooses to live in a dorm, he has to move out during the breaks. Where does he go? Buy a ticket back home? Sleep in his car?

A couple of years ago, the NCAA approved the paying of summer scholarships to students attending summer school. This was good for the football programs cause the kids could practice in the summer. If schools didn't take advantage of this, they would not be competitive at the beginning of the schedule with the schools that did. Some schools only pay for one summer school session, not two. Again, what happens to the budgets of the players that have no scholarship money for one summer school session? Do they move out and go home, try to find another place in a month when they come back? What happens to their bits of furniture? Kids used to be able to work during the summer to save a little $ for the next season. Now with only a month or so off, jobs are harder to find and the money, of course, is less.

Yeah, the kids might get a degree out of all this, but in today's market what is that degree worth?

This is going to change. The system is faulted and needs to be addressed. Changes are in the wind.
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That's simply not true. A BSEE will earn you around $40K starting out. With 10 or so years experience, you'll get to $60K. BSEE's are very much in demand right now. It's one of the highest paid fields right out of college.

There are degreed engineers looking for work at McDonalds right now. Do not underestimate the job market. It is very poor right now. VY's name recognition might get him $75K a year but his degree would get him maybe half that.
Are those local numbers?

I'm pretty sure from Mississippi to Mexico a double E can be in the mid 80s within 5 years. Probably starting in the 70s.

I also know a GM at a local retail store knocking down $90K with a Management degree. & when I say local, I mean the Golden Triangle.
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Good question. A Pell grant is worth about $5,500 a year, another $450 a month. Undoubtedly, a Pell grant helps, but "most athletes" do not receive a Pell Grant. On a team of about 100 kids maybe 25 receive Pell Grants. Some parents have the $ to help the players with extra cash each month, some don't. The fact that they need to send money (if they have it) to the players belies the "Full scholarship" misnomer. A Pell grant is dependent on how much the "Family" makes. A family might make ok money, and therefore be ineligible for a Pell grant, but can not send their player money because they have other kids in college, have health problems, parents with health problems, etc. Also it's up to the parents or the player to fill out the FASFA form to see if they are eligible, and some famlies/kids are not up to this.

You have to realize that Pell grants are not just for football players or even other athletes, but for any student whose family falls into a low adjusted income bracket. So this is not just money for football players, and really isn't a lot to start with.

Another thing, the $960 a month mentioned above is just for when school is in session. Christmas break, Spring Break, Thanksgiving, they get "short checks". However, the landlord doesn't want to hear "short check" when the rent is due, nor do restaurants or supermarkets understand this concept very well. If a kid chooses to live in a dorm, he has to move out during the breaks. Where does he go? Buy a ticket back home? Sleep in his car?

A couple of years ago, the NCAA approved the paying of summer scholarships to students attending summer school. This was good for the football programs cause the kids could practice in the summer. If schools didn't take advantage of this, they would not be competitive at the beginning of the schedule with the schools that did. Some schools only pay for one summer school session, not two. Again, what happens to the budgets of the players that have no scholarship money for one summer school session? Do they move out and go home, try to find another place in a month when they come back? What happens to their bits of furniture? Kids used to be able to work during the summer to save a little $ for the next season. Now with only a month or so off, jobs are harder to find and the money, of course, is less.

Yeah, the kids might get a degree out of all this, but in today's market what is that degree worth?

This is going to change. The system is faulted and needs to be addressed. Changes are in the wind.
See, this is why i have a problem with paying athletes.

Yes, i know it's a great opportunity to be able to play for that big state university with great Traditioni in front of 75,000 - 100, 000 people. But if you've got to go more than 1 state or 6 hours away drive time to play for them and you know your family won't be able to help you pay for seen and unforseen expenses...you probably need to rule those schools out when deciding where to attend.

All your post really does is highlight how important it is for these kids to stay as close as possible to whatever kind of support systems they have. When school is out, go home and stay with your parents....eat and get shelter for free instead of having to worry about how you're gonna feed & clothe yourself when your scholarship / pell grant money runs out and possibly putting youself in a bad situation by accepting monetary gifts. Most of these guys have that option....i'm sure arian had that option....yet he chose to hop 10 states away from san diego to tennessee & put himself into a situation he wasnt really prepared for.

The other thing that people arent considering when deciding to pay these guys is how much more the door gets opened to bribing these athletes to throw games...
See the case of art schlicter.
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See, this is why i have a problem with paying athletes.

Yes, i know it's a great opportunity to be able to play for that big state university with great Traditioni in front of 75,000 - 100, 000 people. But if you've got to go more than 1 state or 6 hours away drive time to play for them and you know your family won't be able to help you pay for seen and unforseen expenses...you probably need to rule those schools out when deciding where to attend.

All your post really does is highlight how important it is for these kids to stay as close as possible to whatever kind of support systems they have. When school is out, go home and stay with your parents....eat and get shelter for free instead of having to worry about how you're gonna feed & clothe yourself when your scholarship / pell grant money runs out and possibly putting youself in a bad situation by accepting monetary gifts. Most of these guys have that option....i'm sure arian had that option....yet he chose to hop 10 states away from san diego to tennessee & put himself into a situation he wasnt really prepared for.

The other thing that people arent considering when deciding to pay these guysall how much more the door gets opened to bribing these athletes to throw games...
See the case of art schlicter.
Sorry, I understand what you're saying but a lot of these guys need to get the hell out of dodge and stay there when they leave home for school. Back home is likely the last place they need to be especially on an extended break. Most of the kids he's talking about aren't really getting the true support they need at home anyway, probably come from down trodden neighborhoods, and need to be in a positive environment. Going back home to mom in Fifth Ward probably isn't the best idea for a kid even as much as he may love Mom.

I remember I would sometimes bring up to three friends with me in my little ass Honda Civic during breaks because they hated going back home that much. Most of them don't have crap to go back to. By the time I left school they'd be damn near arguing with each other over who would ride home with me because they knew my parents would give them hot food to eat every night there.

Edit: In regard to the Pell Grant, yes a lot of them were getting it, and a lot of them were sending money back home from it. Some people just come from really crappy situations and its hard to say whats going on in their lives. I don't pretend to have the answers, but I know its just not as easy as some are trying to make it.
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"Edit: In regard to the Pell Grant, yes a lot of them were getting it, and a lot of them were sending money back home from it. Some people just come from really crappy situations and its hard to say whats going on in their lives. I don't pretend to have the answers, but I know its just not as easy as some are trying to make it."

And that's a good point. Some players send the whole Pell grant check back to help the folks at home. I know there is at least one current Texan player who did that.

If you are truely a fan and love the game and the players, and are not just going to the games as a spectator would to the Colosium in Rome, you gotta be in favor of making a "Full scholarship" at least a Full scholarship.

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See, this is why i have a problem with paying athletes.

Yes, i know it's a great opportunity to be able to play for that big state university with great Traditioni in front of 75,000 - 100, 000 people. But if you've got to go more than 1 state or 6 hours away drive time to play for them and you know your family won't be able to help you pay for seen and unforseen expenses...you probably need to rule those schools out when deciding where to attend.

All your post really does is highlight how important it is for these kids to stay as close as possible to whatever kind of support systems they have. When school is out, go home and stay with your parents....eat and get shelter for free instead of having to worry about how you're gonna feed & clothe yourself when your scholarship / pell grant money runs out and possibly putting youself in a bad situation by accepting monetary gifts. Most of these guys have that option....i'm sure arian had that option....yet he chose to hop 10 states away from san diego to tennessee & put himself into a situation he wasnt really prepared for.

The other thing that people arent considering when deciding to pay these guys is how much more the door gets opened to bribing these athletes to throw games...
See the case of art schlicter.

OK, so let's have a NCAA rule that doesn't let kids accept a schollie from a school that is more than 100 miles from his home town. You think the big football powers would like this?

See: APU
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That's simply not true. A BSEE will earn you around $40K starting out. With 10 or so years experience, you'll get to $60K. BSEE's are very much in demand right now. It's one of the highest paid fields right out of college.

There are degreed engineers looking for work at McDonalds right now. Do not underestimate the job market. It is very poor right now. VY's name recognition might get him $75K a year but his degree would get him maybe half that.
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Electrical-Engineer.html

Not sure where you are getting your numbers from but they sound quite a bit off.
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Not sure where you are getting your numbers from but they sound quite a bit off.
I was getting my numbers from job offers I get and see. It depends a lot on what part of the country the job is in, also.

Those look very high to me. They might be in line with an engineering manager or PE with 15+ yrs experience. Or maybe a position in LA, SF, NYC, etc. Those numbers could also include all the benefits, which would raise the salary number by ~15% for most companies I've dealt with.

Oddly enough, that site is quite a bit low for my line of work. LINK
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OK, so let's have a NCAA rule that doesn't let kids accept a schollie from a school that is more than 100 miles from his home town. You think the big football powers would like this?

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"Edit: In regard to the Pell Grant, yes a lot of them were getting it, and a lot of them were sending money back home from it. Some people just come from really crappy situations and its hard to say whats going on in their lives. I don't pretend to have the answers, but I know its just not as easy as some are trying to make it."

And that's a good point. Some players send the whole Pell grant check back to help the folks at home. I know there is at least one current Texan player who did that.

If you are truely a fan and love the game and the players, and are not just going to the games as a spectator would to the Colosium in Rome, you gotta be in favor of making a "Full scholarship" at least a Full scholarship.

No way should they be able to have that kind of access to their money to be able to do stuff like this. They at least need to put restrictions on how much access athletes have to that money. but Again, the athletes put themselves in that situation.


Apart from that, Who cares what the big football powers would like...the rule would be in place to protect the kid not the university. It would also force them to get their **** together.

For instance, if your're gonna recruit kids from the hood who come from bad situations, you as the university better make damn sure you monitor them carefully and create a support system around them so that they're not putting themselves in bad situations and keeping themselves out of trouble.
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Good for Arian for just admitting what happens with star athletes in 99.9% of the major colleges in America.

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