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Old 09-21-2013   #21
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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

What are the odds that we'll land the only FA kicker off the street that will not miss a 50+ yard field goal?

Why would we believe Rick Smith can find a better kicker than the one he saved a roster spot for?
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Havard Rugland is a free agent?

I'm shocked he didn't make the Lions or Packers roster.

The kid was nails in the pre-season. 3-for-3, including a 50-yarder he drilled with ease. The same distance Randy Bullock apparently can't make.
He lost out to a very established Akers.
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What are the odds that we'll land the only FA kicker off the street that will not miss a 50+ yard field goal?

Why would we believe Rick Smith can find a better kicker than the one he saved a roster spot for?
Then fine, just accept the fact that it's impossible to improve the position where an unproven guy is there. No reason in trying at all to see what is there right? We already have the best option in the guy that cost the team 9 points last game and missed 3 out of 4 kicks.
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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

Wasnt Bullock like 29 of 33 his senior year? They see him everyday in practice. It was ONE bad game. He has all the talent.

Most likely we cut him like you want and he goes and has a great career for somebody else.

Sounds like another Kubiak is stubborn thread.
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Wasnt Bullock like 29 of 33 his senior year? They see him everyday in practice. It was ONE bad game. He has all the talent.

Most likely we cut him like you want and he goes and has a great career for somebody else.

Sounds like another Kubiak is stubborn thread.
So because he is struggling horribly it is most likely that he goes on and has a great career for somebody else?? I can't even fathom how you came up with that logic as a conclusion based on what has lead up to this thread.
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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

Duane Brown was horrible early in his career; he should have been cut.
Kareem Jackson should have been cut.
Mercilus should have been cut.
Kubiak is a stubborn biatch.
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The final thing to consider is, does Kubiak want to cut another highly touted special teams player, and risk another Trindon Holliday embarrassment? Every time be bring back a return, the announcers mention for the country to listen how the Texans didn't stand behind their guy after a few weeks of the season, and how the Broncos have benefited. There is ever chance that Bullock comes out of his rookie jitter session - and due to the draft pick and time that the Texans have obviously invested in Bullock, I don't think that he'll be getting any knee-jerk release papers.
The Holliday situation IMO was very different. His debacle was mostly on the blocking fiasco known as his supporting STs. Bullock's position is very much more a one-on-one responsibility position.

For success, with a Holliday, "it takes a village." With a Bullock, the village usually can only watch.
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Duane Brown was horrible early in his career; he should have been cut.
Kareem Jackson should have been cut.
Mercilus should have been cut.
Kubiak is a stubborn biatch.
Well said.

I'd also add that there have been plenty of kickers that have started their careers off with some poor showings only to end up turning it around and becoming excellent kickers. This is not a Randy Bullock problem so much as it is a problem with many kickers that enter the NFL. It is a pressure packed situation. Let's not forget Bullock just kicked a 41 yd game winning field goal in week 1. Methinks Texecutioner's Longhorn love is playing into his quick temper tantrum in regards to Bullock.
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So because he is struggling horribly it is most likely that he goes on and has a great career for somebody else?? I can't even fathom how you came up with that logic as a conclusion based on what has lead up to this thread.
So you are basing everything off of one game?
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Well said.

I'd also add that there have been plenty of kickers that have started their careers off with some poor showings only to end up turning it around and becoming excellent kickers. This is not a Randy Bullock problem so much as it is a problem with many kickers that enter the NFL. It is a pressure packed situation. Let's not forget Bullock just kicked a 41 yd game winning field goal in week 1. Methinks Texecutioner's Longhorn love is playing into his quick temper tantrum in regards to Bullock.
Its not in regards to Bullock. Its in regards to Kubiak.
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So you are basing everything off of one game?
One game for a guy that has proven nothing and is a rookie or 2nd year player that cost the team 9 points and missed 3 out of 4 FG's at the end of a game. Yes, that is what I am basing this on. That game was the equivalent to 3 or 4 bad games as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not saying we have to replace him, but we should be at least working with other guys and trying them out. YOu don't think that competition could help this guy at least if we ended up keeping him out of everyone that competed? It would at least send the message that Kubiak isn't messing around and will replace guys if they aren't up to task. If Kubiak held some tryouts and still wanted our current guy, then I'd be alright with it for this season at least since he at least tried to see what else was out there to. If you look for better options, and end up having to use the best out of all the options and he was that guy then so be it. But simply blowing it off and and acting like this problem can't potentially cost us a playoff spot or something like that with a loss from a kick or two would be ignoring history that could repeat itself.
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He lost out to a very established Akers.
I don't think he "lost" out. They just went with experience over a guy who had never played a football game ever. Akers missed 13 FGs last season and is already 2-4 this season. Rugland hit every kick he had, only 3 but still. 33, 49 and 50 were his FGs.

Rugland's problem might have been his kickoffs. Only 2 of his 6 KOs were touchbacks.
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I think Bullock will get to stick around until he at least causes a lost game (probably more likely 2 or 3).

The final thing to consider is, does Kubiak want to cut another highly touted special teams player, and risk another Trindon Holliday embarrassment.
Keep someone who he knows isn't doing well until he really begins to cost the team. And keep someone because he doesn't want to risk being publicly wrong.

Definitely. That's how to build a winner.
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Duane Brown was horrible early in his career; he should have been cut.
Kareem Jackson should have been cut.
Mercilus should have been cut.
Kubiak is a stubborn biatch.
You pretty much said nothing here.
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One game for a guy that has proven nothing and is a rookie or 2nd year player that cost the team 9 points and missed 3 out of 4 FG's at the end of a game. Yes, that is what I am basing this on. That game was the equivalent to 3 or 4 bad games as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not saying we have to replace him, but we should be at least working with other guys and trying them out. YOu don't think that competition could help this guy at least if we ended up keeping him out of everyone that competed? It would at least send the message that Kubiak isn't messing around and will replace guys if they aren't up to task. If Kubiak held some tryouts and still wanted our current guy, then I'd be alright with it for this season at least since he at least tried to see what else was out there to. If you look for better options, and end up having to use the best out of all the options and he was that guy then so be it. But simply blowing it off and and acting like this problem can't potentially cost us a playoff spot or something like that with a loss from a kick or two would be ignoring history that could repeat itself.
Yes, you can definitely put me in the blow it off camp right now. Not even on my radar of concern, because one game does not make an ENTIRE CAREER for me.
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Well said.

I'd also add that there have been plenty of kickers that have started their careers off with some poor showings only to end up turning it around and becoming excellent kickers. This is not a Randy Bullock problem so much as it is a problem with many kickers that enter the NFL. It is a pressure packed situation. Let's not forget Bullock just kicked a 41 yd game winning field goal in week 1. Methinks Texecutioner's Longhorn love is playing into his quick temper tantrum in regards to Bullock.
What the hell do the Longhorns have to do with this?

You're sticking up for a kicker that hasn't proven squat other then the fact that he's capable of costing a team games. Holler at me when he shows some consistency before acting like I'm "freaking out." Again, a lot of you like to forget history where Kubiak's loyalty to not one, but two "Browns" in one season single handily cost the Texans a playoff spot. But, we should just ignore that and act like it couldn't possibly happen again, because that is what SB winning HC's do.
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Kubiak is a stubborn biatch.
Yeah, it's just too bad that more knee-jerk fans don't consider that to be an admirable trait for a head coach.

Me thinks you want to pull the trigger on Bullock just a little bit too quickly, Tex. Especially in the middle of the season where all the good ones are already taken.

Be careful what you're asking for.
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Yeah, it's just too bad that more knee-jerk fans don't consider that to be an admirable trait for a head coach.

Me thinks you want to pull the trigger on Bullock just a little bit too quickly, Tex. Especially in the middle of the season where all the good ones are already taken.

Be careful what you're asking for.
I haven't stated one time throughout this thread that this guy should be cut. I'm advocating for the same thing I advocated for several years ago when Brown killed us in several games which is to try out some new kickers and see what is out there. If Bullock can out play all of these guys after we kick some tires around, then so be it. What on earth is wrong with trying out other guys after the display that took place last week?
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Well said.

I'd also add that there have been plenty of kickers that have started their careers off with some poor showings only to end up turning it around and becoming excellent kickers. This is not a Randy Bullock problem so much as it is a problem with many kickers that enter the NFL. It is a pressure packed situation. Let's not forget Bullock just kicked a 41 yd game winning field goal in week 1. Methinks Texecutioner's Longhorn love is playing into his quick temper tantrum in regards to Bullock.
This kick today is essentially at least a high percentage (>85%) conversion. He is expected to make it, not be gloated over for it.

Advanced NFL Stats show the increasing distance conversion percentages through 2011. No reason to believe this stat has not continued its upward trend. The article underscores the importance of having a good kicker.


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I haven't stated one time throughout this thread that this guy should be cut. I'm advocating for the same thing I advocated for several years ago when Brown killed us in several games which is to try out some new kickers and see what is out there. If Bullock can out play all of these guys after we kick some tires around, then so be it. What on earth is wrong with trying out other guys after the display that took place last week?
Trying them out? As in give them playing time? Because how do you know how Bullock is kicking in practice? Maybe he is drilling everything? Then what is the point except taking up another roster space.

Lets face it, you wanted to title this "why arent we looking for another head coach".
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