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Old 09-18-2013   #41
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Just saw this on Rotoworld, take it for what it's worth...

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"Injured my right big toe," Brown said. "It's a pretty bad case of turf toe. Just taking it one day at a time, see how it heals by the end of the week." Brown added that it "looks like" he'll be a game-time decision..."
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I never thought I'd be saying this, but it might be a good idea for him to sit out. He hasn't been himself this season and a healthy Harris might be more effective til Brown gets better.
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I never thought I'd be saying this, but it might be a good idea for him to sit out. He hasn't been himself this season and a healthy Harris might be more effective til Brown gets better.
Of course he got a new contract.
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With all the confunsion on Brown's exact injury, TexansTalk sent out the ever intrepid Dr. CND to Reliant facilities to examine him...

After a thorough examination, we have determined Brown has injured his tankle.
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Wel if he's gotta miss i guess this is the best time b/c i don't think we have a snowball's chance in hell to win at least 2 of our next 3 games and the next 2 after that don't project to be walks in the park either...might as well sit him out & get him ready for the stretch run.
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Broncos fans would HAPPILY trade injuries to our LTs right now. Just everyone be thankful it was not worse and hopefully he takes all the time he needs to come back properly. Seattles LT has same injury. Just gotta suck it up.
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Something that bothers me a great deal is that if he had a grade 2 turf toe and at is pretty well confirmed that it is at least that, shooting him up and taping his toe, and sending him back out there again is not how you treat this injury. Taping of a toe alone does not protect an acutely injured toe from additional trauma. With this injury, you are told that not availing it to appropriate timely treatment, either immediately or later in the rehab can cause, not only prolonged recovery, but also extension of the injury leading to permanent damage of the joint.

A "bad" turf toe is nothing to fool around with. Significant disability can occur with damage to structures of the 1st MTP joint complex. A study of NFL players including ALL of those with turf toe clearly demonstrated that 50% had persistent symptoms after 5 years. Possible long term effects included failure to regain push-off strength.

Surgery is also indicated when conservative treatment fails – evidenced by persistant pain with pushing-off, cutting, or pivoting. Athletes are usually able to return to sport 3-4 months after surgery, but it may be 6-12 months before pre-injury level of function is achieved........and as we all know some players at that point never come back.

This is not meant to be a discouraging post, but I have to question why our elite LT was not removed from the game and taken for imaging studies to establish a solid diagnosis prior to exposing him to added potentially very counterproductive trauma. If he needed a boot AFTER the game by the next day....... after which he had the necessary evaluation, he certainly needed it immediately AFTER the injury. The commonly used phrase around here, "We're going to play it 'smart' with him" begs for a definition of "smart.
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Of course he got a new contract.
I didn't mean it that way... I don't think Brown is a Haynesworth type player who shuts it down after getting paid... I just think he's been playing hurt and it's affected his abilities on the field.
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Something that bothers me a great deal is that if he had a grade 2 turf toe and at is pretty well confirmed that it is at least that, shooting him up and taping his toe, and sending him back out there again is not how you treat this injury. Taping of a toe alone does not protect an acutely injured toe from additional trauma. With this injury, you are told that not availing it to appropriate timely treatment, either immediately or later in the rehab can cause, not only prolonged recovery, but also extension of the injury leading to permanent damage of the joint.

A "bad" turf toe is nothing to fool around with. Significant disability can occur with damage to structures of the 1st MTP joint complex. A study of NFL players including ALL of those with turf toe clearly demonstrated that 50% had persistent symptoms after 5 years. Possible long term effects included failure to regain push-off strength.

Surgery is also indicated when conservative treatment fails – evidenced by persistant pain with pushing-off, cutting, or pivoting. Athletes are usually able to return to sport 3-4 months after surgery, but it may be 6-12 months before pre-injury level of function is achieved........and as we all know some players at that point never come back.

This is not meant to be a discouraging post, but I have to question why our elite LT was not removed from the game and taken for imaging studies to establish a solid diagnosis prior to exposing him to added potentially very counterproductive trauma. If he needed a boot AFTER the game by the next day....... after which he had the necessary evaluation, he certainly needed it immediately AFTER the injury. The commonly used phrase around here, "We're going to play it 'smart' with him" begs for a definition of "smart.
You are assuming that he came out because of the turf toe injury when it is possible that he left the game for a different injury and the turf toe problem came later in the game.
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Hmm, so there's a chance we'll have Dumervil and Suggs going against Newton and Harris. Hope we can establish the run and use play-action boots. Ha
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Hmm, so there's a chance we'll have Dumervil and Suggs going against Newton and Harris. Hope we can establish the run and use play-action boots. Ha
The thing is I see the Texans beating teams like Seattle or San Fran. Their quarterbacks aren't Brady or Rodgers. If Kubiak and Wade come with an unpredictable game plan I see the Texans beating both of those teams. If the game against seattle was in seattle then I could see saying the texans don't have a chance.
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You are assuming that he came out because of the turf toe injury when it is possible that he left the game for a different injury and the turf toe problem came later in the game.
Not much assumption. Reviewing the way Wade Smith fell on the back of Brown's leg in the 2nd quarter is classic mechanics for a turf toe injury.

Smith is in red. Brown is in white. (leg position in this example illustration is mirror image.....right and left transposed)

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This is not meant to be a discouraging post, but I have to question why our elite LT was not removed from the game and taken for imaging studies to establish a solid diagnosis prior to exposing him to added potentially very counterproductive trauma. If he needed a boot AFTER the game by the next day....... after which he had the necessary evaluation, he certainly needed it immediately AFTER the injury. The commonly used phrase around here, "We're going to play it 'smart' with him" begs for a definition of "smart.
Maybe Kubiak needs to start staying at a Holiday Inn Express cuz he's very rarely smart with these decisions. Some injuries you can gut out, others you can't.

Maybe Brown didn't mention the toe on the sideline because he wanted to get back in the game or the ankle injury was painful and general enough that it masked the specific pain to the toe?

Either way, one would expect the medical staff for a professional sports team to be able to diagnose injuries well enough to protect a player from himself.
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Shame Quessenbery IR'd this season, I think we could have used him and he could have gotten lots of valuable experience his rookie year.
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Kubiak today:

(on his feeling about Duane Brown being able to play without practicing)
“I feel the same way I’ve felt every day. I know what he can do, if he can get there for us on Sunday, but we’ll see.”

(on Duane Brown’s improvement) “Yeah, just the swelling and stuff is better. Like I think I’ve told you, I don’t want him coming on the field. We’re keeping him in a boot. He’s not in a boot the whole time, but when he is out walking around and stuff. I don’t want him standing out there and watching practice for two hours. We’ve kept him in here with the trainers the whole time.”

He's in a boot only when he's walking around and stuff ..............If they put him in Sunday.............
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Maybe we can trade for Joe Thomas from the Browns.
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We've got the best defenses in the league coming up. Ravens, Seahawks, 49ers and Chiefs are all top shelf Ds. Rams are pretty dang solid too. Rest up the big guy so we get him back 100% over the long haul instead of a version that is arguably worse than his backup over the course of the season.
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We have some tough games coming up but bigger plans in the post season. Just give the man the chance to recover. A healthy Duane Brown for 10 or 11 games is greater than a 60% Brown for X amount of plays in one game and Ryan Harris for the rest of the season.

A healthy Brown coming into the post season is greater than the above scenario. That way, we can come roaring into the post season ala the NYG's or the Ravens and get hot at the right time. We can lose these next few games, against elite teams, and still get into the playoffs.
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