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Old 09-17-2013   #1
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Default We don't look as good as the Broncos

Why not?


They lost their center. Dressen's recovering from knee surgery. Tamme isn't 100%. They have no RB. Von Miller has been suspended for 6 games. Dumervil is in Baltimore. Champ Bailey is old.

I'm pretty sure there are other things that I forgot.

We've got the OL that we want (stretched for Newton).... we're starting our front 7 defensively from last year. We got Cush back, Jjo is healthy, we've got an upgrade at WR2. OD is healthy, Andre is healthy, Tate is healthy....

So what's up?
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There is always hope in the Ed Reed factor.
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Default Re: We don't look as good as the Broncos

Ryan Clady could also be done for the season.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4616/ryan-clady
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Default Re: We don't look as good as the Broncos

It's probably something rather simple like: Manning>Schaub. Or it could be that the Titans & Chargers are actually going to be good this year, which doesn't seem like much of a stretch with the way they've played so far, and the Ravens & Giants aren't? The Ravens barely beat the Browns this week and the Giants are currently 0-2 with a ton of turnovers vs. Dallas.
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They lost their center. Dressen's recovering from knee surgery. Tamme isn't 100%. They have no RB. Von Miller has been suspended for 6 games. Dumervil is in Baltimore. Champ Bailey is old.

I'm pretty sure there are other things that I forgot.

We've got the OL that we want (stretched for Newton).... we're starting our front 7 defensively from last year. We got Cush back, Jjo is healthy, we've got an upgrade at WR2. OD is healthy, Andre is healthy, Tate is healthy....

So what's up?
Well, their offense just got a scary addition in Welker, J. Thomas seems to be by far their best TE, Moreno finally starts to figure out what he has to do and guys like D. Thomas have another season under their belt.

Their D doesn`t look that good - it is their O that doesn`t stop and their D just doing their part. Give a guy like Manning so many weapons and still a good line and he will hurt you.

And us? We haven`t looked that bad - but we made way too many mistakes. If we can turn those off, and get a little more consistency with our line (I was complaining all offseason, that our O-Line is our biggest weakness) we will be hard to stop.

Oh and as good as Denver looks offensively, we did look defensively (if you cut out the first half against SD) - more 3 and outs then you can count and playmakers all over the field.
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Default Re: We don't look as good as the Broncos

It's Manning. Simple as that.
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Default Re: We don't look as good as the Broncos

We don't win championships in September, either.
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Yeah, we should just quit.


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Default Re: We don't look as good as the Broncos

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Yeah, we should just quit.


Hold on..... it's an honest question. No one said anything about quitting.


I remember three weeks ago we were giddy that we got through TC & the preseason relatively injury free. & we mentioned the Broncos as one of those teams that weren't so lucky.

If we had the issues they had, we know (or at least I know) we wouldn't have looked as good as they do. We would use those issues to excuse the play we've seen... but we don't have those issues, so we're making other excuses.

The popular opinion on the AFC is that it's "Denver & everybody else."

It's not "Denver, then Houston, then everybody else...... " & it should be. Why not? What are we missing?

As fans... as analysts of our team? What are we not seeing? What is it that we are failing to accept?
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We still have Kubiak.
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Default Re: We don't look as good as the Broncos

Denver plays "good / quality" for 4 quarters and the Texans perhaps 2?
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At least we know that Manning is a playoff choker.
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Denver plays "good / quality" for 4 quarters and the Texans perhaps 2?


this has been a problems for many years from my seat


Also as it has been overstated now Manning > Schaub
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Hold on..... it's an honest question. No one said anything about quitting.


I remember three weeks ago we were giddy that we got through TC & the preseason relatively injury free. & we mentioned the Broncos as one of those teams that weren't so lucky.

If we had the issues they had, we know (or at least I know) we wouldn't have looked as good as they do. We would use those issues to excuse the play we've seen... but we don't have those issues, so we're making other excuses.

The popular opinion on the AFC is that it's "Denver & everybody else."

It's not "Denver, then Houston, then everybody else...... " & it should be. Why not? What are we missing?

As fans... as analysts of our team? What are we not seeing? What is it that we are failing to accept?
What are we missing? That`s easy:

1. Consistent good O-Line play. On way too many plays we give up early pressure or fail to open a real running lane inside.

2. Elite QB - I am not hating on Schaub, I think he is a very good QB and one that can win a superbowl. But he is far from elite. Manning, Brady or Rodgers make everyone around them better - Schaub just gets the job done (as good or better than most other QBs, but still far away from the elite ones).

3. A kicker - both games would`nt have been half as close if our kicker would`ve made his kicks.

4. Staying away from stupid mistakes - real bad passes, mental lapses in coverage, not hitting the right holes - we`ve done lots of mistakes this season...

An elite QB helps you overcome adversity - and don`t forget, Denver made it to the second round of the playoffs with Tebow as their QB, simply because the rest of the team is that good.

This doesn`t mean we can`t beat them or that we can`t get the #1 spot or win a superbowl - it just means we have to correct our mistakes and always play harder than the other team.
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Default Re: We don't look as good as the Broncos

Honestly, and I don't actually mean to say this negatively, but it's Schaub, IMO. The Texans have scored plenty of points through two games (61). The problem is coming out and putting up nothing for the 50 minutes between the scripted opening drive and the frantic come from behind drive. Manning doesn't tend to go into lulls like that. Every QB has games like that, of course, but we've seen this from a Schaub offense before. He'll move the ball up and down the field, but settle for short field punts or FGs. It's one reason I have spent years complaining about landing on 16 points with a TD and 3 FGs. The Texans do it all the time.

Schaub's good, but he's not good enough, IMO. If the defense is terrible, you get what we had a few years ago, with the team being down 28-7 at the half (or 21-7 against the Chargers this year). If the defense is playing well, then you get what we had this week, which is the team being down 10-7 at the half. Scoring 7 points in the first half is not good enough; I don't care how many they ultimately end up with. I'm happy for the wins, but that kind of play will come back to bite them. I'm sure they'd tell you the same thing and I'm sure they're working on it.

And before anyone jumps the shark, I'm not suggesting replacing Schaub or something stupid. He's what we have, and we'll roll with him.
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Uh... no. The Broncos have been playing a bad first half and a good second half just like we have.

It's all about perception and the amount of points you score.

Against the Ravens, the Broncos were losing 17-14 at halftime. And then outscored them 35-10 in the second half.

Against the Giants, the Broncos were only up 10-9 at halftime. And then outscored the Giants 31-14 in the second half.

But take another look at who they faced. The Giants D has given up a LOT of points and their offense has made a lot of turnovers so far this year. The Ravens looked anemic against the Browns and their offense actually performed a lot better against Broncos.

The Broncos are going to be tough, don't get me wrong, but they're looking good right now because I think they're crushing crushable opponents. We did a good bit of that last year, ourselves. Hopefully, we can get back into that mode soon.
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Uh... no. The Broncos have been playing a bad first half and a good second half just like we have....

...The Broncos are going to be tough, don't get me wrong, but they're looking good right now because I think they're crushing crushable opponents.
Thanks for clarifying, I haven't watched much of Denver's games nor looked up their boxscores.
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The popular opinion on the AFC is that it's "Denver & everybody else."
Yep, and it always will be when they have one of the best QBs to ever play the game. Sitting around fretting about things we have no control over -- popular opinion -- is just mental masturbation. I've done it, not going there anymore.

We have the Super Bowl Champions this week. Then the top 2 NFC teams after that. One game at a time. I'll worry about Denver when we can actually do something about it, which is December 22.
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