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Old 09-11-2013   #41
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Default Re: Oops, Personal Foul on FG was bad call

Not only was he NOT a defenseless player, the defender didn't strike him in the head, he attempted to leap over him (not sure if jumping over the snapper is also considered illegal)?
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Default Re: Oops, Personal Foul on FG was bad call

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The rule is as stated in my post. He was no longer considered a defenseless player at the time that he was hit.....he had already moved forward and assumed a blocking maneuver. He was fair game.
Doc,

I apologize for "quoting" the wrong post.

In any event, I respectfully disagree. Well, mainly because it worked out in the Texans favor!
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Not only was he NOT a defenseless player, the defender didn't strike him in the head, he attempted to leap over him (not sure if jumping over the snapper is also considered illegal)?
Only if he is "leveraged" over a player.
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Not only was he NOT a defenseless player, the defender didn't strike him in the head, he attempted to leap over him (not sure if jumping over the snapper is also considered illegal)?
No, it is not illegal. It is illegal only for a defensive player to jump or stand on any player , or be picked up by a teammate or to use a hand or hands on a teammate to gain additional height in an attempt to block a kick.
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Default Re: Oops, Personal Foul on FG was bad call

Eeh, the refs were off all night...the 1st half we couldn't buy a penalty on SD..the 2nd half we got nearly every penalty. there were a ton of non calls that should've been made as JJ was getting held damn near every single play and on the other side Freeney was being held every other play as well. I think the refs, like us the fans, and to a certain extent the Texans team ( at least the 1st half anyway) clocks were just off b/c of the time difference.

For the life of me i dont understand why they keep putting SD on monday night especially the 2nd game of a monday night doubleheader....the ratings cant be that great considering how late it is for most fans across the nation and its during the week...
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Default Re: Oops, Personal Foul on FG was bad call

Hey it makes up for all the times J.J. Watt was held - flat azz tackled on some plays - and nothing was called.

...so there.
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Nelson is still required to maintain possession when he hits the ground, which he did. If Nelson has control and 2 feet in, the catch is not complete until he hits the ground. If he catches the ball, has control, taps both feet in, then hits the ground and the ball pops out, it's an incomplete pass.

AJ's play was too close to call, therefore not enough to overturn, IMO. Very fine line between him having control and his feet leaving the ground.
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What exactly are you adding? I left off the maintain possession through the fall as that was not relevant to the controversy here.

As far as AJ's catch, I disagree. I think there was enough to overturn it. He didn't establish control/possession until he was mid dive. The fact that the ball initially touched his hands with two feet on the ground doesn't matter. He didn't have control at that point.
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Not only was he NOT a defenseless player, the defender didn't strike him in the head, he attempted to leap over him (not sure if jumping over the snapper is also considered illegal)?
Yes he IS a defenseless player:

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In 2010, defensive players were prohibited from lining up over the snapper on scrimmage kicks. Now, in addition, on field-goal and PAT attempts the snapper has been afforded additional protections and will now be considered a defenseless player.
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It is not limited to striking the head or striking with the head - it is:

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Contact was made. He was defenseless. Now whether it was forcible is a discretionary call.
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Now whether it was forcible is a discretionary call.
I wonder how many more times we see this called over the course of the season .... That's a tough call to make IMO.
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Default Re: Oops, Personal Foul on FG was bad call

First, I think it's irrelevant. Good teams overcome bullsht...... bad teams don't. If this were to happen at the end of the game.... in the last two minutes I could understand the attention it is getting. But everyone here believe the Saints, Patriots, Broncos, & Packers would have too much time on the clock if there's more than 1:36 on the clock.

As it was mentioned earlier, we get that field goal, we still have to get a stop (which we did), then we can march down the field & get a TD & odds are good we get that touchdown if it's "4 down territory"

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"Let's walk through the play last night first," Blandino said. "And you're going to see here, here's the center and it's going to be No. 92, Cam Thomas, that's going to make the contact. But basically there's some incidental contact with his left leg to the head/neck area, but that is not a foul. That is legal contact. This should not have been called. It's a judgment call by the umpire, he's looking at that, and in his judgment, he felt that it was enough for a foul. And in our review today, we felt that it was not.
Letter of the law, it's a foul. Their judgement.... that contact with the head was not the intent of the rule.


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I wonder how many more times we see this called over the course of the season .... That's a tough call to make IMO.
If they do their job & review this call with the officials, probably not that often.

Would be nice if they carry this "intent" talk to QBs named Brady & Manning. I saw QBs taking good shots to the head, that weren't called personal fouls. No doubt in my mind if it were Brady or Manning, they would have been. (I think it was Matt Ryan... the end came around to swipe at the ball, but he got all helmet, Ryan kept the ball, then bounced up like it was no big deal. Of course, Peyton would have clutched his helmet & writhed in pain..... & Brady would get the call because he's so cute.).
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Default Re: Oops, Personal Foul on FG was bad call

TK,

I agree with QB angle. We've seen times a flag came out when a QBs helmet is touched as lightly as you would a new born's face.
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Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder,
............not the leg. I would suspect that a penalty would not be called unless a leg was used to purposely direct a blow to the head or neck area.
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The NFL has put out a video which helps give much greater incite as to the definition and intent of the various new rules. This is a great educational tool for any fan interested in gaining a deeper understanding of penalties called or not called on Sundays. The long snapper situations are covered beginning at 3:40.

Officiating Video – 2013 Rule Changes
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Excuse me if I don't cry a river for a bad call that just happened, this ONCE, to go in our favor.
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Default Re: Oops, Personal Foul on FG was bad call

The call was legit. That old ref said so on TV and he is more experienced at screwing up games that anybody.
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