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Old 09-10-2013   #661
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The Texans called 29 pass plays in the second half; that works out to be 928 plays over the course of a 16-game season, not even counting overtime.

Does anybody really expect that figure?
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The "prediction" was based on the Texans comfortable ahead in games against a weak opponent like the Chargers.

That didn't happen and so the Texans had to open up their game plan.
How many times were Hopkins targeted in the first half and how many yards did he get?

If it were the Texans that led 21-7 at half time, how many times do you realistically think that Schaub would put the ball up in the second half?
I think your supposition on play calling is off as AJ demonstrates - he gets his targets when we are behind much of the season and when we are ahead much of the season.

Looking at complete seasons for ease of comparison:

2006 6-10, 166 tgts, -99 pts
2008 8-8, 170 tgts, -28 pts
2009 9-7, 170 tgts, +55 pts
2012 12-4, 164 tgts, +86 pts

Hopkins has been brought in to be the #2 and they are going to treat him as such until he proves himself incapable like Keyshawn and Jean did last season by having butter fingers. 5 receptions on 6 targets coming off of injury is not going to make Schaub or Kubiak stop targeting Hopkins.
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The "prediction" was based on the Texans comfortable ahead in games against a weak opponent like the Chargers.

That didn't happen and so the Texans had to open up their game plan.
How many times were Hopkins targeted in the first half and how many yards did he get?

If it were the Texans that led 21-7 at half time, how many times do you realistically think that Schaub would put the ball up in the second half?
The concept is that Hopkins is talented enough to demand more enough of the offense than Walter did in last couple of seasons. Again even when kevin was a better version of himselk he was 55 to 60 catch guy. The Texans offense was never desgned for the 2nd wr to be a 40 catch blocker. Many times the obvious answer is the answer.
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That's not right.

Maybe you're trying to be funny. Sure we had high hopes that LeStar & KeShawn could beat out KDub for that roster spot. But we shouldn't be comparing Hopkins to them.

That's like looking at every Texans' milestone in relation to the Chiefs or the Lions... or Buffalo. We've turned that corner & should be comparing ourselves to New England, Pittsburgh, & Dallas (yes..... Dallas).
Hopkins through 1 game: 5 catches 66yds.

Kevin Walter through 2 games in 2012: 5 catches for 50 yds.

That's apples to apples as far as WR2 is concerned.

It shows me that DHop should have a reasonable shot at beating KW's performance last season.
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Does anybody really expect that figure?
No way. Matt averaged 34 attempts last year & had 45 vs. SD.
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5 catches, 66 yards -- Deandre Hopkins after 1 game.
6 catches, 65 yards -- Keshawn Martin after 6 games of rookie season.
6 catches, 151 yards -- Lestar Jean, after entire 2012 season.

If Hopkins continues to produce like this, he could have a monster year.
Andre Johnson after 1 game of his rookie year: 6 catches, 76 yards. Deandre, you need to step up your game.

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The "prediction" was based on the Texans comfortable ahead in games against a weak opponent like the Chargers.

That didn't happen and so the Texans had to open up their game plan.
How many times were Hopkins targeted in the first half and how many yards did he get?

If it were the Texans that led 21-7 at half time, how many times do you realistically think that Schaub would put the ball up in the second half?
Come on, this is having it both ways. The prediction was "Hopkins won't make many valuable contributions to the team". Now you are saying "his numbers will only be low in routs, in games where we actually need him, he will be clutch". Completely different spin there.

Of course if the Texans jump out to a huge lead (10 points in the first half or 3 points in the second half) everyone knows it is time to grind down the clock for the win, and there won't be a lot of passing. That is completely different than the receivers are not contributing when needed, which was clearly the implication of the predictions.
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No way. Matt averaged 34 attempts last year & had 45 vs. SD.
Right; the Texans averaged 34.625 pass attempts last year.
That's included the two overtime games.

Also, the premise is for the Texans defense to get back to the level of 2011, maybe even better.
With a good D, a kicka punter, and a better FG kicker, it is within reason to "presume" that the Texans will have a much better chance playing with a 10-14 lead, and less of a chance of having to play catch-up.

This didn't happen last night.
Also, eventually, the trio of backup receivers should also see some target.

Most importantly, the premise is that Kubiak stays with the balance approach so as to allow the defense the opportunity to rest and stay fresh.

There's always a chance that Kubiak feels more comfortable with Schaub, as long as he continues to demonstrate that he can handle pressure well, and work the game plan to have more passes than rushes.
But until Schaub proves to be consistent under duress, there's no reason to suggest that Kubiak would change his philosophy radically.

Obviously, if Hopkins continues to make the tough catch, he should see his share of target. Too early to call it one way or another though.
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Andre Johnson after 1 game of his rookie year: 6 catches, 76 yards. Deandre, you need to step up your game.



Come on, this is having it both ways. The prediction was "Hopkins won't make many valuable contributions to the team". Now you are saying "his numbers will only be low in routs, in games where we actually need him, he will be clutch". Completely different spin there.

Of course if the Texans jump out to a huge lead (10 points in the first half or 3 points in the second half) everyone knows it is time to grind down the clock for the win, and there won't be a lot of passing. That is completely different than the receivers are not contributing when needed, which was clearly the implication of the predictions.
Go back and read all of my posts in this thread.
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Along with all the things I recently recount, another point of mine is that the Texans do have a lot of weapons.

Besides the fact that Kubiak continues to maintain that they will target AJ, the rest of the guys should deter Hopkins from having a large number of targets in his rookie season - again, that is taking into consideration all of the premises.
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Right; the Texans averaged 34.625 pass attempts last year.
That's included the two overtime games.

Also, the premise is for the Texans defense to get back to the level of 2011, maybe even better.
With a good D, a kicka punter, and a better FG kicker, it is within reason to "presume" that the Texans will have a much better chance playing with a 10-14 lead, and less of a chance of having to play catch-up.

This didn't happen last night.
Also, eventually, the trio of backup receivers should also see some target.

Most importantly, the premise is that Kubiak stays with the balance approach so as to allow the defense the opportunity to rest and stay fresh.

There's always a chance that Kubiak feels more comfortable with Schaub, as long as he continues to demonstrate that he can handle pressure well, and work the game plan to have more passes than rushes.
But until Schaub proves to be consistent under duress, there's no reason to suggest that Kubiak would change his philosophy radically.

Obviously, if Hopkins continues to make the tough catch, he should see his share of target. Too early to call it one way or another though.
Those were some tough catches by hopkins. Those weren't good throws by schaub. I really wish gary would just open up early. I mean you can still have balance and be opened up. I wish he would roll more 11 personel,no huddle,and just create that offset. They could go big 11 with hopkins and posey as the x and z with andreas the y or small 11 with martin as the y. Just let schaub call the plas from the los and jsut roll. Get the lead ,then start pounding.
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Bingo. There were predictions Hopkins wouldn't get targeted as much as Walter last year and so would end up with 35 rec. for 350 or so yds. Playing a partial game after missing significant practice he was already much more involved than that.
My comments weren't so much a prediction as it was an attempt to temper expectations. I'd hate for people to start calling him a bust if Schaub doesn't "trust" him.
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It shows me that DHop should have a reasonable shot at beating KW's performance last season.
You don't have to sell me on that.
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After one game for Deandre Hopkins he looked exactly like I wanted him to: Like a legit #2 WR. Something the Texans have never had in their history.
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Good job, Mr. Hopkins.
I take it all back.
You're no longer a rookie.

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DeAndre...DeMan!
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Good job, Mr. Hopkins.
I take it all back.
You're no longer a rookie.

Manned up today. Really proud of DeAndre.
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Good job, Mr. Hopkins.
I take it all back.
You're no longer a rookie.

I don't know when we Texans fans gonna learn. Is Hopkins gonna have to play on another team and win a super bowl too? It's Schaub and Kubiak.
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Hopkins is a freak, and not in a bad way. Dude has hands like I don't think I have ever seen before. Just unreal.
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