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Old 09-07-2013   #781
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People are too quick to rush Keenum into the spotlight. I realize he has a ton of local fans, but give the kid some time and be objective about his progress. He needs time to develop and learn how to be a starting QB in the NFL. Too many times teams are rushing QB development because of pressure from ownership or fanbase.

Green Bay did it right. Had a guy in place and let their young guy develop. When the time was right, they cut the vet loose and let their guy take over. It's amazing to me that so many teams do not take the same approach. There are so many young QB's in the league right now who are just not very good because their franchise rushed them and didn't take the time to let them develop.

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Schaub's play is dwindling and has been for some time now. He's still a solid NFL starter, but that's mainly because of the ridiculous talent he's surrounded by. We really need to be developing his replacement right now because we can not afford to be that team who just throws the next guy right into the fire.

Yates is a very solid QB. He's not a star, but he can get the job done. I see him as one of the better backup QB's in the league right now. Hopefully we can retain him for some time because I really like him as a #2.

I like Keenum and he could be the guy that we are developing to replace Schaub. But there is absolutely no reason to rush the process. Give the guy some time to get better. I'm interested to see how he progresses this year and see where he's at around this time next year.

If he continues to take care of business I can easily see him passing Yates next year and possibly supplanting Schaub the year after that.
If Schaub has any semblance of a late season or playoff swoon, it will be between Yates and Keenum next year, imho.

As for your earlier comments, I think teams should use good sense in developing players. Not all players need to sit for 3 years to learn their respective systems. Not all players are ready to start right away.
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If Schaub has any semblance of a late season or playoff swoon, it will be between Yates and Keenum next year, imho.

As for your earlier comments, I think teams should use good sense in developing players. Not all players need to sit for 3 years to learn their respective systems. Not all players are ready to start right away.
Said the same thing a couple months.

Hey I also saw you at the Chargers MB.
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Said the same thing a couple months.

Hey I also saw you at the Chargers MB.
Yeah. I was planning on going to the game, but my buddy that was going with me can't get off work on Tuesday (we are working in El Centro, Ca.) and it would suck going by myself. I can get 50 yd line field level seats for $200. Those are cheap tickets for the location.
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Yeah. I was planning on going to the game, but my buddy that was going with me can't get off work on Tuesday (we are working in El Centro, Ca.) and it would suck going by myself. I can get 50 yd line field level seats for $200. Those are cheap tickets for the location.

Shoot yeah that's a steal. Heard they still haven't sold out, so they may black it out. I'd find someone to go with if I were you. Jj Watt won't be making that trip very often.
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If Schaub has any semblance of a late season or playoff swoon, it will be between Yates and Keenum next year, imho.

As for your earlier comments, I think teams should use good sense in developing players. Not all players need to sit for 3 years to learn their respective systems. Not all players are ready to start right away.


A playoff swoon by Schaub and two players who can't start in the nfl take his place? I don't see it
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A playoff swoon by Schaub and two players who can't start in the nfl take his place? I don't see it
Lay off of what ever you're smoking. I'll bet you a paycheck that Smith is fielding offers for both Yates and Keenum. Either one can start in the NFL, and one will at some point. And I'm taking MUCH more of a risk, paycheck-wise, than you are. If not, you're an extremely well paid individual.
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A playoff swoon by Schaub and two players who can't start in the nfl take his place? I don't see it
I felt the same way about Sage that DocBar feels about Yates & Keenum.

I'd have started Sage before I traded two 2nd rounders & signed a guy to be the starting QB. I want someone to win the job on the field. & Sage beat Carr out for the job, imo.

Nothing against Matt, the trade worked out better than I expected.

My plan is that Matt is the starter as long as he's healthy. But if we're down early like we were against the Pats or Packers last year, I'm sending one of the kids in. If they play exceptional (because playing fine, or alright isn't going to cut it) then they'll get to start the next game & we'll go from there.

If benching Schaub doesn't turn on that "sense of urgency" switch, I don't know what will. But our next starting QB is going to win the job (if I had anything to say about it). If Kubiak thinks he can win 10 or more games with Yates/Keenum, I'm fine with that. If he brings someone in to compete for the job in the offseason, I'm fine with that.

If he brings Schaub back, after a play off swoon, I won't understand it, but I'd support him & root for him best I could. & my idea of a play off swoon is probably not as liberal as some. His 2012 performance did not warrant replacing him or the slack he's gotten since.
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I felt the same way about Sage that DocBar feels about Yates & Keenum.

I'd have started Sage before I traded two 2nd rounders & signed a guy to be the starting QB. I want someone to win the job on the field. & Sage beat Carr out for the job, imo.

Nothing against Matt, the trade worked out better than I expected.

My plan is that Matt is the starter as long as he's healthy. But if we're down early like we were against the Pats or Packers last year, I'm sending one of the kids in. If they play exceptional (because playing fine, or alright isn't going to cut it) then they'll get to start the next game & we'll go from there.

If benching Schaub doesn't turn on that "sense of urgency" switch, I don't know what will. But our next starting QB is going to win the job (if I had anything to say about it). If Kubiak thinks he can win 10 or more games with Yates/Keenum, I'm fine with that. If he brings someone in to compete for the job in the offseason, I'm fine with that.

If he brings Schaub back, after a play off swoon, I won't understand it, but I'd support him & root for him best I could. & my idea of a play off swoon is probably not as liberal as some. His 2012 performance did not warrant replacing him or the slack he's gotten since.
Tk I hear you but my take on MS is based on what I have seen since he has been here and what he really is. Also I agree 100% what you said about replacing MS but Kubiak I don't think will do that.

I posted this in a previous thread
"My take on MS is for the regular season games against the non elite teams I am ok with ms because you really don't need him to win game. As long as he manages game the Texans probably win. I think MS has the best chance of managing a game of the 3 QBs.

Against the elite teams you need the QB to do more and MS has a ceiling. We have seen it many times. The above is based on him playing like he did in the first 12 games last year. If he plays like he did at the end then I don't want him at all.

I think TJ has the same upside as MS a he gets more experience but not much more.

Case is the one I would want if we need the QB to win the game. I would not like him right now to get us to the playoffs because I think he will have lower lows but higher highs. He is not as consistent as MS but I think he has a chance to have a great game at times and carry a team. I really don't think MS has that in him.

Tough situation right now because MS is going to play and the other QB's get no experience so you have to ride MS in the playoffs and we win the game not because of MS does but what the rest of the team does.

Just my opinion. "

I think I understand more now what I meant after reading a SI article on How to beat Alabama and watching the UT vs BYU game.

Matt is maybe the least likely player to create, improvise, or make an unscheduled play. First he is possible the least physically gifted QB and he hasn't shown any ability to improvise if a play breaks down. Against lesser teams you can play that way and win. Against equal or better teams you can't play like that and win unless you have a dominating defense which we don't. We may have the most dominating defensive player but the defense as a whole is above average.

A good coach with good talent can come up with a way to stop a team. As Saban stated you can't scheme against a player that can make an unscheduled play. MS is maybe the least likely to make an unscheduled play and thus it is easier to scheme against the Texans because you do not need to account for MS. Just my opinion but I think TJ is very much like MS in that aspect. I would welcome the chance to see how TJ/CK would fare in real action but it won't happen unless MS is hurt.

In the regular season, as we saw last year you can get away with MS as QB. When the games really started to matter at the end of the season/playoffs we saw what happened.

Watching the UT vs BYU game hammered home what a multi talented QB has over a 1 dimension non athletic QB but really we see this fact every week.

Now to be fare to MS maybe GK has the handcuffs on MS but I think even if MS had a green light he does not have the ability to improvise.

Post too long and rambling now. I am out.
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"My take on MS is for the regular season games against the non elite teams I am ok with ms because you really don't need him to win game. As long as he manages game the Texans probably win. I think MS has the best chance of managing a game of the 3 QBs.

Against the elite teams you need the QB to do more and MS has a ceiling.
I don't really care what they do in the regular season against the "elite" teams. Baltimore won the Super Bowl & we whupped their a55. Maybe Denver wasn't playing their best game when we crushed them, but that was still Peyton Manning sitting on the sideline opposite Matt. We also beat New England when they were trying to secure a bye week... for some reason "we" say that was a meaningless game, but in 2012 winning that one game was the difference between being in the Super Bowl & watching the Super Bowl.

We won't see the Packers or Saints in the post season until the Super Bowl... so again, not worried.

There's enough crap teams out there for us to secure our play off berth against.
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I think TJ has the same upside as MS a he gets more experience but not much more.

Case is the one I would want if we need the QB to win the game.
Chances are 1 in a million that either of those guys will be a franchise QB. If we were to draft a QB after the 25th pick in the draft, chances are probably 10 in a million.

I hope we hit on one of the two, then we can just keep on rolling. I don't care which.

What I don't like, though, is that Kubiak has Schaub & he believes he can win a Super Bowl with him. He probably can but if there was a QB that he thought we will win a Super Bowl with, I wish he would have gone & got him. Maybe he thinks that is Case, or Tj, I don't know.

But if he thinks of them as QBs that can & they end up starting, I hope he doesn't stop looking for the one that will win a Super Bowl.

I really don't care how shiny he can make that penny, if there's a dime out there, go get the frk'n dime & call it a day.
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TJ has more experience, Case is the better QB, good problem to have if Matt does go down. I think we are way better off than we were with Matty L and TJ a couple years ago. I believe either of our backups could take us just as far as Schaub can.
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I don't really care what they do in the regular season against the "elite" teams. Baltimore won the Super Bowl & we whupped their a55. Maybe Denver wasn't playing their best game when we crushed them, but that was still Peyton Manning sitting on the sideline opposite Matt. We also beat New England when they were trying to secure a bye week... for some reason "we" say that was a meaningless game, but in 2012 winning that one game was the difference between being in the Super Bowl & watching the Super Bowl.

We won't see the Packers or Saints in the post season until the Super Bowl... so again, not worried.

There's enough crap teams out there for us to secure our play off berth against.


Chances are 1 in a million that either of those guys will be a franchise QB. If we were to draft a QB after the 25th pick in the draft, chances are probably 10 in a million.

I hope we hit on one of the two, then we can just keep on rolling. I don't care which.

What I don't like, though, is that Kubiak has Schaub & he believes he can win a Super Bowl with him. He probably can but if there was a QB that he thought we will win a Super Bowl with, I wish he would have gone & got him. Maybe he thinks that is Case, or Tj, I don't know.

But if he thinks of them as QBs that can & they end up starting, I hope he doesn't stop looking for the one that will win a Super Bowl.

I really don't care how shiny he can make that penny, if there's a dime out there, go get the frk'n dime & call it a day.
When I say I would choose Case I mean out of the ones we have to choose from.
I agree also that it is a low probability that one of our current QB's is the one.
MS we know is not the one. We could win with him but not because of him. Of course I think the same could be said of GK also. With GK I am not sure we will ever see what the others can do unless there is an injury and I am not sure even then you will find out.
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Lay off of what ever you're smoking. I'll bet you a paycheck that Smith is fielding offers for both Yates and Keenum. Either one can start in the NFL, and one will at some point. And I'm taking MUCH more of a risk, paycheck-wise, than you are. If not, you're an extremely well paid individual.


I am fairly well paid so I am not sure who would be taking on more risk however there is no real bet here. How on earth would we know of Rick was fielding calls? Talk about smoking stuff. Yates/Case are not starter material at this point and Schaub tanking in the playoffs isn't going to cost him his starting role
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Talk about smoking stuff. Yates/Case are not starter material at this point and Schaub tanking in the playoffs isn't going to cost him his starting role
What is it about Yates/Case that makes you think they are not "starting" material?
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What is it about Yates/Case that makes you think they are not "starting" material?


Neither impressed me with play, Yates more so than Case but nevertheless we end up with me being unimpressed
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Both played very well in preseason, both had very good command of the offense and both made plays with their legs when the play broke down.

Maybe you've been watching the Texans too closely and think that WR's should have to slow down, come back to the ball or stop to make a catch and that QB's should assume the fetal position at the mere whiff of pressure.

What would a QB have to do to impress you? Be drafted early in the 1st round? Have a lot of hoopla about them coming out of college?
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Neither impressed me with play, Yates more so than Case but nevertheless we end up with me being unimpressed
were you impressed with schaub's play in the pre-season? I guess you and kubiak /company in here are in a disagreement.
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Neither impressed me with play, Yates more so than Case but nevertheless we end up with me being unimpressed
Perhaps, like Kubiak, you are not a fan of hitting receivers in stride because it negatively effects time of possession.
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Both played very well in preseason, both had very good command of the offense and both made plays with their legs when the play broke down.

Maybe you've been watching the Texans too closely and think that WR's should have to slow down, come back to the ball or stop to make a catch and that QB's should assume the fetal position at the mere whiff of pressure.

What would a QB have to do to impress you? Be drafted early in the 1st round? Have a lot of hoopla about them coming out of college?


Do you think the texans are spending money just to spend money? Why if tj/case are as good as you say then why are we keeping Matt in there? Tj was well overhyped in his season fill in role and to the preseason the two would have to crush 2nd and 3rd tier Ds to impress me
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were you impressed with schaub's play in the pre-season? I guess you and kubiak /company in here are in a disagreement.
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Perhaps, like Kubiak, you are not a fan of hitting receivers in stride because it negatively effects time of possession.


Schaub is far better than the other two

Maybe you should hope the best for tj and case vs top tier Ds in the nfl
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Do you think the texans are spending money just to spend money? Why if tj/case are as good as you say then why are we keeping Matt in there? Tj was well overhyped in his season fill in role and to the preseason the two would have to crush 2nd and 3rd tier Ds to impress me
No, I don't think the Texans are spending money just to spend it. They locked Schaub up based on the belief that if he'd been healthy for the entire 2011 season, the Texans might've been Super Bowl champs. They also signed him to a smart contract (Smith is apparently smarter than Kubiak because his "smart" stuff pays off) that doesn't hamstring the team too far in the future. They can cut or trade Schaub after this season and not owe him a dime.

Schaub has a penchant for wilting under the bright lights and pressure of big games. Maybe this year he'll turn it around and do great.

Yates did pretty dang good for a rookie 3rd string QB in 2010. About as good as one can reasonably expect. He's improved a lot since then.

Keenum has a knack for the position and seems to thrive in the same under the same circumstances Schaub wilts under. He's shown himself to be a very quick learner and that shallow learning curve showed itself this preseason when his natural talent and ability took over and the game seemed to slow down for him.

Schaub may very well play lights out and lead the Texans to a Super Bowl victory this season. That's not a good reason to downplay the quality of the two guys behind him. If Schaub goes down this season, Yates will be up to the task. I haven't felt this good about the backup QB position since Rosencopter was on the team.

I'm as unimpressed by your opinion of Yates and Keenum as you are with them.
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