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Old 09-06-2013   #761
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Yates' performances have been #2, that's for sure.
They both did well; better than most, perhaps better than almost all #2s out there, and probably even better than a few ones.
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They both did well; better than most, perhaps better than almost all #2s out there, and probably even better than a few ones.
We have two backup QBs that can inserted into a game and keep it going for a bit. One of them has starting experience and has shown he can win a playoff game against a badly coached team. I'm comfortable with them both, most especially when you look at a lot of the other backup QBs in the league.

I still think Keenum will be starting material some day though.
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Default Re: Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB (Yates named #2)

You know, after watching preseason, I feel as though Gary
was sort of testing that "it factor". He put Case into a
few positions with a really negative potential outcome just
to see if he could produce.

I can't get over the TD pass on 4th and 2 from the 30
something yard line. Or the 28 yard completion to the
middle of the field when Keenum was standing in the
endzone with the pocket collapsing around him.

Honestly, I just cannot fathom Gary letting Matt or T.J.
even attempt those. It's so "outside of the Kubiak comfort
zone". Granted, it was the preseason, but I don't ever
recall him doing that in prior preseasons either.

Everytime I saw a play like that I got sort of a "Sink or Swim"
feeling from Gary's playcalling.

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Default Re: Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB (Yates named #2)

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I think Yates could be a very good starter. We won't know until he gets his opportunity.


But I think Kubiak would love to draw up some plays for Keenum.


yates did get the chance to be a starter and was very average despite what his fans would like to call it
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You know, after watching preseason, I feel as though Gary
was sort of testing that "it factor". He put Case into a
few positions with a really negative potential outcome just
to see if he could produce.

I can't get over the TD pass on 4th and 2 from the 30
something yard line. Or the 28 yard completion to the
middle of the field when Keenum was standing in the
endzone with the pocket collapsing around him.

Honestly, I just cannot fathom Gary letting Matt or T.J.
even attempt those. It's so "outside of the Kubiak comfort
zone". Granted, it was the preseason, but I don't ever
recall him doing that in prior preseasons either.

Everytime I saw a play like that I got sort of a "Sink or Swim"
feeling from Gary's playcalling.

TJ
I know.
I was saying that Keenum was put in more challenging situations than what we normally see in the preseason, with any coach really.

They only do that to find out if the guy can handle the various situations.
Keenum passed those tests admirably.

On the other hand, Yates were put in fewer challenging situations, and he also passed those tests. Not only that, he executed most of the routine plays well as a whole.

It was a very good battle.
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We have two backup QBs that can inserted into a game and keep it going for a bit. One of them has starting experience and has shown he can win a playoff game against a badly coached team. I'm comfortable with them both, most especially when you look at a lot of the other backup QBs in the league.

I still think Keenum will be starting material some day though.
I hope so Thorn; I hope so.
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yates did get the chance to be a starter and was very average despite what his fans would like to call it
I'm no more a Yates fan than I am a Keenum fan, but what Yates did in 2011.... average is pretty good for a rookie in that situation.
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Or the 28 yard completion to the
middle of the field when Keenum was standing in the
endzone with the pocket collapsing around him.
This is the play etched in my mind about Keenum. He showed great composure in that situation and never appeared to be anything but in full control of the pass.

The Texans are very fortunate to have some depth at many positions, QB included. I do not think either backup is better than Schaub, but I also do not feel like the season is lost if Schaub goes down.
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This is the play etched in my mind about Keenum. He showed great composure in that situation and never appeared to be anything but in full control of the pass.

The Texans are very fortunate to have some depth at many positions, QB included. I do not think either backup is better than Schaub, but I also do not feel like the season is lost if Schaub goes down.
That's a luxury right there, DB.

At the most important position on the team.

I just hope that we can survive the injuries at other positions, especially on the line and at key positions on defense.
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I'm no more a Yates fan than I am a Keenum fan, but what Yates did in 2011.... average is pretty good for a rookie in that situation.


I wouldnt say his playoff ints were average
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I wouldnt say his playoff ints were average
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but you're the one who said he was average.
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I hope so Thorn; I hope so.
I think the backup QB position, while debatable to a degree here, is one of the least of our worries for this team.
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but you're the one who said he was average.


I was being overly generous with the term average
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They both did well; better than most, perhaps better than almost all #2s out there, and probably even better than a few ones.
I read IronDukes comment totally different, with a much more juvenile connotation, as in taking a #2.
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I was being overly generous with the term average
All technicalities!
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He's the Henry Kissinger of football MB.

Sometimes you hate him; sometimes you love him.
Sometimes he makes a lot of sense; occasionally he doensn't.
He throws you into a maze and then he pulls back.
It's a natural talent .

You don't know how much I dislike Kissinger as a politician, but after years of reflection, the guy was damn smart.
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All technicalities!
TK was only playing the field, as he normally does .
He's the Henry Kissinger of football MB.

Sometimes you hate him; sometimes you love him.
Sometimes he makes a lot of sense; occasionally he doensn't.
He throws you into a maze and then he pulls back.
It's a natural talent .

You don't know how much I dislike Kissinger as a politician, but after years of reflection, the guy was damn smart.
So basically, you despise TK, but you think he's really intelligent.
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People are too quick to rush Keenum into the spotlight. I realize he has a ton of local fans, but give the kid some time and be objective about his progress. He needs time to develop and learn how to be a starting QB in the NFL. Too many times teams are rushing QB development because of pressure from ownership or fanbase.

Green Bay did it right. Had a guy in place and let their young guy develop. When the time was right, they cut the vet loose and let their guy take over. It's amazing to me that so many teams do not take the same approach. There are so many young QB's in the league right now who are just not very good because their franchise rushed them and didn't take the time to let them develop.

.......

Schaub's play is dwindling and has been for some time now. He's still a solid NFL starter, but that's mainly because of the ridiculous talent he's surrounded by. We really need to be developing his replacement right now because we can not afford to be that team who just throws the next guy right into the fire.

Yates is a very solid QB. He's not a star, but he can get the job done. I see him as one of the better backup QB's in the league right now. Hopefully we can retain him for some time because I really like him as a #2.

I like Keenum and he could be the guy that we are developing to replace Schaub. But there is absolutely no reason to rush the process. Give the guy some time to get better. I'm interested to see how he progresses this year and see where he's at around this time next year.

If he continues to take care of business I can easily see him passing Yates next year and possibly supplanting Schaub the year after that.
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Will I be able to buy my #7 Keenum jersey now that he made the roster?
I think Manziel is signing Keenum's stuff and selling it.
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Funny thought!

(those two guys couldn't be more 180 degrees out of phase
in terms of ethics and discipline..)

Can you believe how lucky Kevin Sumlin has been for his
entire career as a collegiate head coach?

I could totally see Jerrah firing the redhead and hiring Kevin
to replace him -- at the same time drafting JFF (if they have
another bad year.)

Even if the team sucked, he'd do it just for the crazy amount
of money all of those new Ag-Cowboy fans would generate..

Jerrah strikes me as more of a salesman than a winner..

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People are too quick to rush Keenum into the spotlight. I realize he has a ton of local fans, but give the kid some time and be objective about his progress. He needs time to develop and learn how to be a starting QB in the NFL. Too many times teams are rushing QB development because of pressure from ownership or fanbase.

Green Bay did it right. Had a guy in place and let their young guy develop. When the time was right, they cut the vet loose and let their guy take over. It's amazing to me that so many teams do not take the same approach. There are so many young QB's in the league right now who are just not very good because their franchise rushed them and didn't take the time to let them develop.

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I like Keenum and he could be the guy that we are developing to replace Schaub. But there is absolutely no reason to rush the process. Give the guy some time to get better. I'm interested to see how he progresses this year and see where he's at around this time next year.

If he continues to take care of business I can easily see him passing Yates next year and possibly supplanting Schaub the year after that.
These echo my thoughts on the situation. Rep.
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