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And this is only one example of why I try to keep things "realistic."
I might say things from time to time in jest, but don't mean anything at all about it. I appreciate your fact of the matter responses.
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And this is only one example of why I try to keep things "realistic."
IIRC, isn't this a Chester Pitt'ish type injury? You know, the one that put him out of the league.

Is there a rosier outlook for Williams since he's younger or does age really make a difference?
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IIRC, isn't this a Chester Pitt'ish type injury? You know, the one that put him out of the league.

Is there a rosier outlook for Williams since he's younger or does age really make a difference?
Good memory!........Same as Dom Davis.

Microfracture surgery is only performed when joint bone is denuded of its cartilage coverage. The fibrous tissue substitute it creates is neither thick nor durable. It is typically a last ditch effort to preserve the function of the joint. If it done for a very small area, a player may just squeak through. If it is a loss of significant cartilage caused by previous injury/surgery, success rate is dismal.

In Williams case, I have no doubt that he suffered significant cartilage damage at his initially reported "tweaked knee." The arthroscopy then was performed to remove loose and damaged cartilage, exposing some underlying bare knee joint bone. He returned to play too soon thus further breaking off bits of damaged cartilage. During this surgery, further cleanup of cartilage, thus exposing more bone surface would have likely been performed prior to the microfracture drilling. Keep in mind that after joint bone denuding of cartilage and drilling into the bone, arthritis naturally quickly ensues. Not a terribly rosey picture for the future.
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Good memory!........Same as Dom Davis.

Microfracture surgery is only performed when joint bone is denuded of its cartilage coverage. The fibrous tissue substitute it creates is neither thick nor durable. It is typically a last ditch effort to preserve the function of the joint. If it done for a very small area, a player may just squeak through. If it is a loss of significant cartilage caused by previous injury/surgery, success rate is dismal.

In Williams case, I have no doubt that he suffered significant cartilage damage at his initially reported "tweaked knee." The arthroscopy then was performed to remove loose and damaged cartilage, exposing some underlying bare knee joint bone. He returned to play too soon thus further breaking off bits of damaged cartilage. During this surgery, further cleanup of cartilage, thus exposing more bone surface would have likely been performed prior to the microfracture drilling. Keep in mind that after joint bone denuding of cartilage and drilling into the bone, arthritis naturally quickly ensues. Not a terribly rosey picture for the future.
Thanks for the prompt response Dr.

I deleted quite a diatribe so quick-N-simple this isn't an age related thingy?

Williams' career is toast before it ever started and we blew a draft choice we'll never get back. Si?
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Thanks for the prompt response Dr.

I deleted quite a diatribe so quick-N-simple this isn't an age related thingy?

Williams' career is toast before it ever started and we blew a draft choice we'll never get back. Si?
Like I said, not a rosey picture at all.
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The Texans screwed up another diagnosis, possibly screwing up another players career?

The Texans medical staff is so incompetent it's embarrassing to all of the great medical professionals in this city. Unbelieveable that CND has a better handle on the Texans injury situations with very little info. Than the Texans Dr's do with all of the best equipment/info available.

It makes me think that Dr. Lowe has whore himself out to the Texans org. Kinda like what Dr.Andrews did last yr with RG3 and the Redskins.

I know if I was a Texans player and had an injury that the Texans Dr.'s diagnosed, the 1st thing that I would do would be seeking a 2nd opinion.
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Good memory!........Same as Dom Davis.

Microfracture surgery is only performed when joint bone is denuded of its cartilage coverage. The fibrous tissue substitute it creates is neither thick nor durable. It is typically a last ditch effort to preserve the function of the joint. If it done for a very small area, a player may just squeak through. If it is a loss of significant cartilage caused by previous injury/surgery, success rate is dismal.

In Williams case, I have no doubt that he suffered significant cartilage damage at his initially reported "tweaked knee." The arthroscopy then was performed to remove loose and damaged cartilage, exposing some underlying bare knee joint bone. He returned to play too soon thus further breaking off bits of damaged cartilage. During this surgery, further cleanup of cartilage, thus exposing more bone surface would have likely been performed prior to the microfracture drilling. Keep in mind that after joint bone denuding of cartilage and drilling into the bone, arthritis naturally quickly ensues. Not a terribly rosey picture for the future.
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This just sucks, another wasted draft pick. Our Doctors are paid by the club to get players back on the field, I'm thinking they tell the club what they want to hear instead of the truth.
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The Texans screwed up another diagnosis, possibly screwing up another players career?

The Texans medical staff is so incompetent it's embarrassing to all of the great medical professionals in this city. Unbelieveable that CND has a better handle on the Texans injury situations with very little info. Than the Texans Dr's do with all of the best equipment/info available.

It makes me think that Dr. Lowe has whore himself out to the Texans org. Kinda like what Dr.Andrews did last yr with RG3 and the Redskins.

I know if I was a Texans player and had an injury that the Texans Dr.'s diagnosed, the 1st thing that I would do would be seeking a 2nd opinion.

As many of you know, I am quite the Kubiak/Smith apologist. That being said, I am consistently appalled at the manner in which this organization deals with injuries. The combination of ignorance displayed by Kubiak when questioned about injuries, the errors in judgement I've seen dealing with injured players during games, the lack of information, but especially the mounting evidence (though I don't have proof) that the training staff/doctors simply are not thorough - bordering on malpractice.

I find it more than a coincidence that Kubiak and Smith both worked with Mike Shanahan, who committed a series of unforgivable abuses with RGIII last year... Decisions that defy logic because they not only risked a great, young player but also were not beneficial to the team's short term goals.
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Good memory!........Same as Dom Davis.

Microfracture surgery is only performed when joint bone is denuded of its cartilage coverage. The fibrous tissue substitute it creates is neither thick nor durable. It is typically a last ditch effort to preserve the function of the joint. If it done for a very small area, a player may just squeak through. If it is a loss of significant cartilage caused by previous injury/surgery, success rate is dismal.

In Williams case, I have no doubt that he suffered significant cartilage damage at his initially reported "tweaked knee." The arthroscopy then was performed to remove loose and damaged cartilage, exposing some underlying bare knee joint bone. He returned to play too soon thus further breaking off bits of damaged cartilage. During this surgery, further cleanup of cartilage, thus exposing more bone surface would have likely been performed prior to the microfracture drilling. Keep in mind that after joint bone denuding of cartilage and drilling into the bone, arthritis naturally quickly ensues. Not a terribly rosey picture for the future.
Wasn't the same knee apparently

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Wasn't the same knee apparently
That's even worse news, in that microfracture surgery is usually preceded by arthroscopic "clean up." Denuded bone doesn't happen over night out of the clear blue. He had to have significant knee cartilage deficit problems before he was drafted. And if he had it in that knee, he most likely had in the arthroscopic knee, which led to the knee problem which led to the "clean up."

Knowing this new information (sort of a peek into the future), I don't expect his arthroscopic knee to be in any better shape than his microfracture knee. Keep in mind that microfracture knee surgery is a very difficult rehab...........9-12 months in most cases. There is no one that I know who would ever do this type of surgery on both knees at the same time (simultaneous bilateral knee surgeries for much lesser conditions are quite uncommon) for obvious reasons. Just like on my carpal tunnel patients, most surgeons (including myself) will refuse to do this surgery on both hands at the same sitting for reason that many patients don't really think about until they are presented with consequential postoperative difficulties.........imagine the difficulties with toilet hygiene. I wouldn't be surprise before it's all said and done, if he goes on to require microfracture surgery on his recently arthroscoped knee some time in the future.
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Wonder if we have anything new on this guy, his rehab, his future in the NFL with the Texans ? Reviewing C&Ds remarks, this 3rd round picks future in football is certainly very grim indeed according to Doc. It's just that we have such a pressing need to put a competent player on the right side of our OLine at tackle.
It's really frustrating that both Williams and our other OLine pick in this years Draft, David Quessenberry, both went out on IR as rookies. What an opportunity this year would have been for either or both rookies to gain valuable playing-time experience.
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And this is only one example of why I try to keep things "realistic."

From June:
Damn, it looks like we WILL need to use one of our higher draft picks on a RT. Had high hopes for the kid but injuries on top of injuries at this point doesn't bode well for him or the Texans outside of maybe a backup Tackle for his first few years.
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If BW's "microfracture" situation goes back 2 years and this doctor thinks 300 pounders with that sort of medical problem don't ever recover 100 %, since the Texans drafted BW less than a year ago obviously the Texans' medical people (at the time of the Draft) didn't agree with this doctors opinion.
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If BW's "microfracture" situation goes back 2 years and this doctor thinks 300 pounders with that sort of medical problem don't ever recover 100 %, since the Texans drafted BW less than a year ago obviously the Texans' medical people (at the time of the Draft) didn't agree with this doctors opinion.
The surgery wasn't done two years ago. He's been dealing with the same knee injury since before his senior season, it's never been 100% right. He was healthy enough to play as a senior. Then he tore his shoulder & sat out the final four games of his senior season.

We drafted him & the same knee started giving him problems... he had the microfracture surgery & here we are.

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If you have to identify one decision that contributed the most to getting Kubiak fired, it's this one. As bad as the RT position already was, he shouldn't have rolled the dice on this player. That's not just hindsight -- we all knew it at the time.

Then consider that the next pick was Sam Montgomery.
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