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Old 09-03-2013   #261
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I have a hard time remembering things like that, but didn't Andre end his "hold out" before getting another contract?

& the pushing Smith to the side thing... you must be privy to some inside info because I never heard/saw anything to suggest as much.

Why would McNair keep paying this guy?
Smith was doing a lot talking while Andre was in Miami, when Andre returned you didn't see or hear anything from Rick Smith. At that point Bob McNair was doing most of the talking.

Translation: Andre stayed in Miami because Rick Smith was playing hard ball because Andre already had a contract w/ 5 years remaining. Bob McNair called Andre and said come on home Andre, I promise we will take care of you.
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Smith was doing a lot talking while Andre was in Miami, when Andre returned you didn't see or hear anything from Rick Smith. At that point Bob McNair was doing most of the talking.

Translation: Andre stayed in Miami because Rick Smith was playing hard ball because Andre already had a contract w/ 5 years remaining. Bob McNair called Andre and said come on home Andre, I promise we will take care of you.
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Bob McNair sent Rick Smith out to pick up lunch from his favorite Hinze's BBQ in Sealy... then negotiated Cushing's contract extension while Smith was away. Did you remember to get extra sauce?
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Bob McNair sent Rick Smith out to pick up lunch from his favorite Hinze's BBQ in Sealy... then negotiated Cushing's contract extension while Smith was away.
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Just like when Andre was having problems getting his contract redone and was sitting in Miami and they moved Rick Smith to the sidelines to get the deal done. Aamzing how this story skips the koolaid drinkers mind. Hip hip hooray for Rick Smith, for he's a jolly good fellow....
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I have a hard time remembering things like that, but didn't Andre end his "hold out" before getting another contract?

& the pushing Smith to the side thing... you must be privy to some inside info because I never heard/saw anything to suggest as much.

Why would McNair keep paying this guy?
You don't remember it because Texian is just making crap up. Then he tries to shout down anyone who disagrees with his Carnac the Magnificent impersonation by saying they are koolaid drinkers or apologists.

Your memory is better. AJ missed three days of OTAs and then came back of his own volition because he recognized he had no leverage, or in his own words:

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I don't really think you can really win against an organization. When you're under contract, they can hold you to that, and it's up to them to re-do it or give you an extension or whatever they want to do. They really don't have to do anything. They can sit there and hold me to that contract, and if you choose to sit out and take fines, that's what happens. But I'm past that. I'm over that. I'm here working and I'm going to continue to work and hopefully we can achieve our goal of getting to the playoffs and winning the Super Bowl.
Link This reads bottom to top in terms of chronological order. You will note Smith is still involved after AJ returned.
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Why would they do that? DeMeco was one of the best MLBers in the entire league that season, hell he might've been the best... why would you move him?

Houston was NEVER going to draft a LBer in the first round in 2007. There was plenty of holes to fill, LBer was not one of them.
I've come to the conclusion that trying to intelligently converse real world Texans football with this cat is very much:

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UNCLE for me...simply because none of us have a clue, though pretty much each of his assertions have been debunked thoroughly by the majority.

Nothing personal for sure. To each his own and I'm simply expressing my opinion. It's a little different than most though 'cause it don't stink.

Gotta give the cat credit where credit is due, he will certainly keep on keepin' on.

You go Texian! I find a few of your retorts on the money but most of them I find to be fos.

That's prolly just me though. Carry on, as I'm sure you will.
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You don't remember it because Texian is just making crap up. Then he tries to shout down anyone who disagrees with his Carnac the Magnificent impersonation by saying they are koolaid drinkers or apologists.

Your memory is better. AJ missed three days of OTAs and then came back of his own volition because he recognized he had no leverage, or in his own words:



Link This reads bottom to top in terms of chronological order. You will note Smith is still involved after AJ returned.
What you talking about Willis, you're main antagonizer if there is one. Chief of the Deragtory, Sultan of Argumentative, I Will Shut you Down, Master of the Bullies.

I said he was in Miami TRUE, I agreed he came back on his own volition (with clear possibility it could've been behind the scenes urging by Bob McNair) TRUE. Smith was playing hardball saying the would be willing to talk and out of the other side of his mouth saying, but Andre still has 5 years on his contract. TRUE When Andre returned to Houston, Rick Smith stopped being heard in the public negotiating arena TRUE. Bob McNair WAS, TRUE. Read your own links, confirms what Texian wrote is TRUE.

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Kubiak has final say on the 53 man roster whether you choose to believe it or not. In the 2010 year end press conference, John McClain specifically asked Kubiak if he would give up complete control in order to keep his job. Kubiak responded saying he would NOT that it was in his contract and would not agree to any such changes.



Contrary to popular belief, Rick Smith did NOT hire Wade Phillips, Bob McNair did. Smith had nothing to do with Wade. Wade's hiring all started when McNair invited Bum to a practice 3-4 weeks before the season ended. Rick Smith did his part in contributing to the poor defenses, Smith's first draft pick was Amobe Okoye passing on Patrick Willis. Again, contrary to popular belief it is not so much as Rick Smith making the draft picks as some believe. Kubiak allows his coaches most of the leeway in the decision making process on selecting draft picks starting with,

It was Alex Gibbs who picked Duane Brown
It was Frank Bush who picked Brian Cushing...and
It was Wade Phillips who picked JJ Watt and Whitney Mercilus

(FYI - Bob McNair gave Wade the 2011 & 2012 1st Rd draft picks as part of the deal to become DC)

I do believe Smith does get credit for Kareem Jackson.

Rick Smith is not a GM in the sense that Ted Thompson, Ozzie Newsome, Jerry Reese, Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman and Trent Balke are GMs. No siree.

Y'all can say that this is conjecture and opinion but that's way it was and is.

Alex Gibbs had the power to select first round picks? Is that what you are saying? Or, are you suggesting that the GM listens to the opinions of coaches and scouts then makes the final call on who he agrees with? To think that a GM isn't doing all the scouting,interviewing, and film study by himself! What a bum! (That is sarcasm for those determined cynics who actually think smith is a bum)
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Contrary to popular belief, Rick Smith did NOT hire Wade Phillips, Bob McNair did. Smith had nothing to do with Wade. Wade's hiring all started when McNair invited Bum to a practice 3-4 weeks before the season ended. Rick Smith did his part in contributing to the poor defenses, Smith's first draft pick was Amobe Okoye passing on Patrick Willis. Again, contrary to popular belief it is not so much as Rick Smith making the draft picks as some believe. Kubiak allows his coaches most of the leeway in the decision making process on selecting draft picks starting with,

It was Alex Gibbs who picked Duane Brown
It was Frank Bush who picked Brian Cushing...and
It was Wade Phillips who picked JJ Watt and Whitney Mercilus
If you can provide at least one source as evidence for any of these claims, I will forever believe everything you say and always back you up. And I want facts, not opinions.
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Alex Gibbs had the power to select first round picks? Is that what you are saying? Or, are you suggesting that the GM listens to the opinions of coaches and scouts then makes the final call on who he agrees with? To think that a GM isn't doing all the scouting,interviewing, and film study by himself! What a bum! (That is sarcasm for those determined cynics who actually think smith is a bum)
Not getting into the cat fight,

But I do believe Alex Gibbs was brought in to fix the OL and he was promised the 1st rd pick that yr. Just like with Wade and the defense. I've got no proof of that. Just call this an educated guess.

Rick was smart enough to listen to a HOF OL coach and pick D.Brown.
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Not getting into the cat fight,

But I do believe Alex Gibbs was brought in to fix the OL and he was promised the 1st rd pick that yr. Just like with Wade and the defense. I've got no proof of that. Just call this an educated guess.

Rick was smart enough to listen to a HOF OL coach and pick D.Brown.
I don't think Rick doesn't listen to the coaches but I don't think anyone is given Carte Blanche to pick who they want.

Rick gives his list of guys to the coaches and the coaches take a look at guys he's identified and then based on that list, they work out who's going to be drafted.

Alex Gibbs was given a list of guys and told, "Tell me who you want. Tell me which guys fit into your system. We're going to make fixing the line a priority so which guys will do that." Don't forget, Rick traded back and still got his guy. So there was every chance he would have missed on him but he didn't.

Same with Wade and the same with Frank Bush and Richard Smith before him.

But if there hadn't been anyone at that pick worthy of it, the pick would have gone another way.

Heck, if Ted Ginn, Jr. had been available, we would have had him instead of Amobi Okoye.
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If you can provide at least one source as evidence for any of these claims, I will forever believe everything you say and always back you up. And I want facts, not opinions.
If you go back and find the video of the perspective coaches discussing the draft picks you see what I am talking about. You will find Frank Bush being asked about Cushing and when did they know that's who they wanted. Frank responded in saying he had the opportunity to watch a USC game earlier in the season and he kind of knew then, that if Cushing was available when the Texans picked, Cushing would be his pick, Cush was his guy. Bush said Cush reminded him of Bill Romanowski.

http://prod.www.texans.clubs.nfl.com...7-C1A63E15B544

There is also video of Wade after drafting Mercilus commenting about McNair giving him the 1st Rd draft picks.

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But I do believe Alex Gibbs was brought in to fix the OL and he was promised the 1st rd pick that yr.
You're are correct steelb. After the dismal rushing teams of Ahman Green and Ron Dayne, Gibbs was brought in to fix the OL and given complete authority over the Texans run game. Brown was only the 2nd time he drafted a 1st rd OT. Gibbs always felt that he could find OL he wanted in the later rds of the draft. There are very interviews of Gibbs but there is one where he does discuss his research of Brown. For all you naysayers, Gibbs would not take a job if he did not have full control of the running game.

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I don't think Rick doesn't listen to the coaches but I don't think anyone is given Carte Blanche to pick who they want.Rick gives his list of guys to the coaches and the coaches take a look at guys he's identified and then based on that list, they work out who's going to be drafted.

Alex Gibbs was given a list of guys and told, "Tell me who you want. Tell me which guys fit into your system. We're going to make fixing the line a priority so which guys will do that." Don't forget, Rick traded back and still got his guy. So there was every chance he would have missed on him but he didn't.

Same with Wade and the same with Frank Bush and Richard Smith before him.

But if there hadn't been anyone at that pick worthy of it, the pick would have gone another way.

Heck, if Ted Ginn, Jr. had been available, we would have had him instead of Amobi Okoye.
Simpler, cleaner and easier to read the bolded "I think Rick listens to the coaches"...
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You're are correct steelb. After the dismal rushing teams of Ahman Green and Ron Dayne, Gibbs was brought in to fix the OL and given complete authority over the Texans run game. Brown was only the 2nd time he drafted a 1st rd OT. Gibbs always felt that he could find OL he wanted in the later rds of the draft. There are very interviews of Gibbs but there is one where he does discuss his research of Brown. For all you naysayers, Gibbs would not take a job if he did not have full control of the running game.
I also remember Gibbs saying he took a very hands-off approach to coaching the Texans, as if he were here to coach Benton, not the line itself.
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Simpler, cleaner and easier to read the bolded "I think Rick listens to the coaches"...
I agree.
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I also remember Gibbs saying he took a very hands-off approach to coaching the Texans, as if he were here to coach Benton, not the line itself.
In the beginning Gibbs was very much hands on. Later on he took on more of a consultant role. If you ever went to a pre season practice you could see there was no question Gibbs was hands on in your face.
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If you go back and find the video of the perspective coaches discussing the draft picks you see what I am talking about. You will find Frank Bush being asked about Cushing and when did they know that's who they wanted. Frank responded in saying he had the opportunity to watch a USC game earlier in the season and he kind of knew then, that if Cushing was available when the Texans picked, Cushing would be his pick, Cush was his guy. Bush said Cush reminded him of Bill Romanowski.

http://prod.www.texans.clubs.nfl.com...7-C1A63E15B544

There is also video of Wade after drafting Mercilus commenting about McNair giving him the 1st Rd draft picks.
I watched the video and I still don't see how you can infer that Cushing was Bush's pick, and Smith or Kubiak had nothing to do with it. Bush repeatedly said "He was OUR guy" and "WE like him...", referring that it was a group decision. Sure, it sounds like Cushing was Bush's favorite player in the draft, and he really wanted him, but lets not make it out to be Bush's pick and his pick alone. At the end of the day, the GM has final say on all draft picks.

BTW, no matter who the pick was, everyone on the Texans organization is going to talk him up as if that was the exact guy they wanted. No time will you hear something like, "I actually wanted to get McCourty, but Rick preferred Kareem instead."
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Sure, it sounds like Cushing was Bush's favorite player in the draft, and he really wanted him, but lets not make it out to be Bush's pick and his pick alone.
Kubiak used the same we language language when interviewed. As you say, any coach interviewed is going to act excited.

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Not on this team. Kubiak has final say. It's in his contract. That said, the process as a whole is always collaborative.
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I watched the video and I still don't see how you can infer that Cushing was Bush's pick, and Smith or Kubiak had nothing to do with it. Bush repeatedly said "He was OUR guy" and "WE like him...", referring that it was a group decision. Sure, it sounds like Cushing was Bush's favorite player in the draft, and he really wanted him, but lets not make it out to be Bush's pick and his pick alone. At the end of the day, the GM has final say on all draft picks.

BTW, no matter who the pick was, everyone on the Texans organization is going to talk him up as if that was the exact guy they wanted. No time will you hear something like, "I actually wanted to get McCourty, but Rick preferred Kareem instead."
The last minute of the video Bush says Cush was his guy and was early in the season. Bush did say Kubiak & Smith were working the phones so he wasn't sure but when the Texans were on the clock, Bush got his man. I can see where the video is open to interpretation, I've always said, people are going to hear and see what they want to hear and see. And if they have a bias or agenda, what they see and hear usually supports their bias and/or agenda. You strongly want to believe that Rick is in charge and a GM in the mold of Ted Thompson and Ozzie Newsome. That is simply not the case. Rick is a GM in the mold like Scott Pioli was under Bill Belichick.

Last edited by Texian; 09-05-2013 at 10:38 AM.
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