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Old 09-02-2013   #221
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Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?
You're right, Brady's original contract had 2 yrs left and NE GTD the $$$ and spread it over 5 yrs. and if Brady gets hurt $$$ are GTD and there is no Tebow.
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Like I said, I'm not a cap expert.
But if I read it right, Brady's contract includes a $30M signing bonus plus $1M in base salary this year.
If Brady is out like he was before, it's tough sledding.
Or am I being ignorant?
Brady's contract is different than most in that the signing bonus is paid out over the life of the contract not just prorated for cap purposes. It is also fully guaranteed through him being 43 years old. All he has to do is show up willing to play and the Patriots are paying him.
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If he wins the Super Bowl I bet he gets a Romo/Flacco type contract.
I don't see that happening. If that happens, he just stays on his current contract, and we have a SB winning QB at a bargain.
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I don't see that happening. If that happens, he just stays on his current contract, and we have a SB winning QB at a bargain.
Haha! No raise for Schwaubie.
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In 2015 the year of JJs new contract Schaub is $17 mil and the yr after $19 mil
People seem to forget (or never realized) that it's entirely possible (perhaps even likely) that 2015 won't be the year of JJs new contract - and not because he gets extended early.

JJ was a first round pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. More importantly, JJ was the 11th pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. Without getting mired in the details, as a component of that CBA, the Texans have a unilateral, non-negotiable option for a 5th year with JJ. This option exists with all first round picks under the current CBA. The amount of the option for the top 10 picks is the Transition tag amount (Essentially, the average of the top 10 highest paid players at their position during their 4th year). For picks 11-32, it's considerably less than that (Essentially, it's the average of the 3rd thru 25th highest paid players at their position during their 4th year), and the CBA is very specific that it can't be supplemented with bonuses or any other type of compensation. To give a little perspective to this, according to Spottrac, for 2013, the average of the 3rd-11th (they only list the top 10 and ties) highest paid DE's is $7.43 Million, so factor in 14 more lower paid players and imagine what you'll get.

What this means is that should they decide to do it, the Texans have JJ for a fifth year at an amount likely south of $6 Million. Add on the fact that they'll still have the right to franchise him for 2016, and with the 2013 Franchise and Transition tag amounts for DE's at roughly $11.2 and $9.15 Million respectively, plus a minimal growth for those tag amounts recently, and it could easily be 2017 before JJ sees either a contract amount in excess of $12 Million or the open market.

I'm sure some of you are saying that's screwing JJ, and McNair and the Texans would never let that happen, well, I'm sure the preference would be to strike a long term deal at a reasonable amount sometime in the offseason between JJ's 3rd and 4th contract year. If that can't be done, and the alternative is to let JJ walk, there's no doubt in my mind the Texans would "screw" JJ.

Now excuse me - I've got to go fret that in five years, JJ might be playing for someone else.
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People seem to forget (or never realized) that it's entirely possible (perhaps even likely) that 2015 won't be the year of JJs new contract - and not because he gets extended early.

JJ was a first round pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. More importantly, JJ was the 11th pick in the first draft class under the current CBA. Without getting mired in the details, as a component of that CBA, the Texans have a unilateral, non-negotiable option for a 5th year with JJ. This option exists with all first round picks under the current CBA. The amount of the option for the top 10 picks is the Transition tag amount (Essentially, the average of the top 10 highest paid players at their position during their 4th year). For picks 11-32, it's considerably less than that (Essentially, it's the average of the 3rd thru 25th highest paid players at their position during their 4th year), and the CBA is very specific that it can't be supplemented with bonuses or any other type of compensation. To give a little perspective to this, according to Spottrac, for 2013, the average of the 3rd-11th (they only list the top 10 and ties) highest paid DE's is $7.43 Million, so factor in 14 more lower paid players and imagine what you'll get.

What this means is that should they decide to do it, the Texans have JJ for a fifth year at an amount likely south of $6 Million. Add on the fact that they'll still have the right to franchise him for 2016, and with the 2013 Franchise and Transition tag amounts for DE's at roughly $11.2 and $9.15 Million respectively, plus a minimal growth for those tag amounts recently, and it could easily be 2017 before JJ sees either a contract amount in excess of $12 Million or the open market.

I'm sure some of you are saying that's screwing JJ, and McNair and the Texans would never let that happen, well, I'm sure the preference would be to strike a long term deal at a reasonable amount sometime in the offseason between JJ's 3rd and 4th contract year. If that can't be done, and the alternative is to let JJ walk, there's no doubt in my mind the Texans would "screw" JJ.

Now excuse me - I've got to go fret that in five years, JJ might be playing for someone else.
MSR. Pointed out that 5th year option to a friend of mine. He kept arguing that wasn't the case. In 5 years, it won't matter or............it won't matter.
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I don't see that happening. If that happens, he just stays on his current contract, and we have a SB winning QB at a bargain.
$14.5M, maybe.

But I don't see the Texans taking a $17M cap hit in 2015, or a $19M cap hit in 2016. Especially if they're trying to sign Cushing & Watt. Those cap hits will come down by prorating a signing bonus and adjusting his salary.

Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).

Some here believe Case Keenum is our future at QB, if that's the case, I can see them parting ways with Matt Schaub at the end of this season to free up room for other players. But not if he wins the Super Bowl.
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$14.5M, maybe.

But I don't see the Texans taking a $17M cap hit in 2015, or a $19M cap hit in 2016. Especially if they're trying to sign Cushing & Watt. Those cap hits will come down by prorating a signing bonus and adjusting his salary.

Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).

Some here believe Case Keenum is our future at QB, if that's the case, I can see them parting ways with Matt Schaub at the end of this season to free up room for other players. But not if he wins the Super Bowl.
I basically agree. I think $17-19MM cap hit for him is too much. But it may not be in a couple of years, depending on whether the cap goes up, and what other new QB contracts are signed, especially if he does win a SB.
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Someone said this contract gives Matt two years to win a Super Bowl, including the 2014 year as a "chance." I think the two years started from the day he signed it, last September. This year is his last chance to prove he's a franchise QB (whether that means winning a SB or not, I don't know, but I think it does).
Franchise QB doesn't equal Super Bowl winning QB. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl but he damn sure was a Franchise QB.
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There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.
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There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.
I don't think any fan needs to be an expert on cap management or be an MD, but having basic knowledge doesn't hurt and just realizing that things like the salary cap and injuries severely impact football decisions, i.e. not being able to resign ALL the players you want to keep, or not being as deep as you'd want to be across the board.
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There's a reason why I had said many times that I don't like the business side of football. It's not fun, just like all the informative medical info that CND has been providing us. I keep go back and forth whether I want to know about those things or not. More often, I would rather not know about them things. No fun at all.
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You made me look it up, LOL.

True that; I would rather stick to watching game film.
I like that a heck a whole lot more.
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2012 - Joseph restructured $5 million, Johnson restructured $5.2 million
2011 - Johnson Restructured $7.5 million, Demeco Ryans $4 million & Antonio
Smith $3 million. There was more earlier but those $$$ are now off the books.



No I don't but I do believe that currently NE is approx $13 mil under the cap, the Steelers approx $5 mil under and the Ravens approx $6 mil and the Texans approx $2 mil under. The final official start of the season cap numbers should be out in a day or two.
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An Ed Reed thread about missing games with no talk about how he actually participated in a full practice today?
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