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Old 08-31-2013   #121
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Outside linebackers are Brooks Reed, Whitney Mercilus, Brian Braman, Sam Montgomery, Willie Jefferson with Justin Tuggle kind of a "swing" ILB/OLB.
Still don't feel too hot about this corp.
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Tuggle is also a rookie. So on this side we have 3 rookies, a second year player with limited experience and Braman with two years limited experience.
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Still don't feel too hot about this corp.
Yeah, but I like them better than this group: Connor Barwin, Brooks Reed, Bryan Braman, Jesse Nading, Whitney Mercilus
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Yeah, but I like them better than this group: Connor Barwin, Brooks Reed, Bryan Braman, Jesse Nading, Whitney Mercilus
Im not so sure about that... I liked them at the beginning of last year a lot better than I do this years corps. We need to be hoping that several of these guys take the next step...
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Hopefully he plays like Whitney Mercilus and not Whitney Houston.
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Word from Seahwk fans was that Curry was not smart enough to grasp whatever defense they were running.

I'm eh about out OLB's. Mercilus was decent in his limited role (but I'm apparently one of the few who think this) and if he takes a big step then this becomes a much better situation, obviously.
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Word from Seahwk fans was that Curry was not smart enough to grasp whatever defense they were running.

I'm eh about out OLB's. Mercilus was decent in his limited role (but I'm apparently one of the few who think this) and if he takes a big step then this becomes a much better situation, obviously.
Far from it.


Most realize Mercilus put up "good numbers" in a limited role last season.


He wasn't near as good as Barwin in setting the edge Vs the run nor when asked to drop into coverage , which happened quite a bit towards the end of the season.


Reed has been solid if unspectacular on the other side , If any one of the OLB's opposite him can take "that big step" .... yeah , it does become a much better situation. Mercilus gets the first shot at proving he's that guy.


Being his second year in the system , its not unrealistic to expect Mercilus to make a big improvement.
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I do think we are a little thin at OLB. Mercilus needs to make a big step this season in run defense. I think most of his snaps last year came in passing downs. Reed is not a player that any team is going to gameplan against, but he'll be a good player.

I'm hoping I am wrong, but our defense worries me this season. Down the stretch we were giving up far too many points on defense for us to go deep in the playoffs.
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I've been concerned about the LBer corp for awhile now. If Cush goes down again this season the Texans are in for another year of an early exit from the playoffs, if they make it at all. It's too bad this was such a weak draft crop of LBers (both ILB and OLB) this year, and to pick 2 in the mid rounds that may end up being busts or mediocre at best, well, that's the kind of bad drafting that will kill a team in the long run. I just hope finding Jefferson and Tuggle as UDFA's make up for it!
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Im not so sure about that... I liked them at the beginning of last year a lot better than I do this years corps. We need to be hoping that several of these guys take the next step...
But at the end of last year, Barwin was the 4th worst 3-4 OLB in the league. Getting to 'average' as a group will be an improvement.
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But at the end of last year, Barwin was the 4th worst 3-4 OLB in the league.
I understand that & I was no fan of Connor Barwin once we switched to the 3-4. But there must have been some reason Wade kept throwing him out there. I don't believe this "scheme" thing '76 kept throwing out there, but there's a reason he kept sending Barwin out & not Mercilus when we were bleeding points & yards.
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But at the end of last year, Barwin was the 4th worst 3-4 OLB in the league. Getting to 'average' as a group will be an improvement.
I don't know how this is determined, but a quick analysis of the stats shows he was, slightly, our best OLB. So what does this say for Brooks Reed going into this season?

Barwin started all 16 games and Reed started 12. Barwin averaged 2.2 solo tackles per game and Reed, 1.6. Barwin averaged .6 assisted tackles per game vs Reed's, .7 per game. Barwin had 3 sacks and Reed had 2.5 sacks in four fewer games. Of course stats don't tell the full tale, but Reed's stats weren't good.

As for Mercilus, he missed most of training camp and all of the preseason games, out since July 30th. Does he start the first game with only one week of practice? The general rule says no, you start one of the backers who participated in the full off season and work Mercilus in slowly with maybe 20 - 25 snaps his first time out.

As negative as everyone is on Braman and taking into account the caliber of player he went up against, still this preseason he averaged 2 tackles per game, .7 assisted tackles per game and had 3 sacks.

Perhaps this only indicates how poorly situated we are at this position, but he had the best camp of all the OLB's who made the team. Does he start the first game opposite Reed?
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Few will remember, but back in early September of last year, Brooks Reed in practice sustained what the Texans reported as a "hip" injury. They have reported previous adductor strains as "hip" injuries, as the adductor is one of the muscles that move the hip. Later in the season, he sustained a definitive rupture of the adductor that took him out of almost all of the rest of the season. This injury was reported a "groin," as the adductor is part of the groin anatomy. In Jan 2013, he underwent "sports hernia surgery," an adductor tear being part of the "sports hernia" complex. I have no doubt that from Sept 2012 until he sustained the definitive rupture, he was dogged by his adductor.....an injury that compromised his performance throughout the 2012 season. I see optimism in Reed returning this season a rejuvenated and much improved player.
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Few will remember, but back in early September of last year, Brooks Reed in practice sustained what the Texans reported as a "hip" injury. They have reported previous adductor strains as "hip" injuries, as the adductor is one of the muscles that move the hip. Later in the season, he sustained a definitive rupture of the adductor that took him out of almost all of the rest of the season. This injury was reported a "groin," as the adductor is part of the groin anatomy. In Jan 2013, he underwent "sports hernia surgery," an adductor tear being part of the "sports hernia" complex. I have no doubt that from Sept 2012 until he sustained the definitive rupture, he was dogged by his adductor.....an injury that compromised his performance throughout the 2012 season. I see optimism in Reed returning this season a rejuvenated and much improved player.
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Few will remember, but back in early September of last year, Brooks Reed in practice sustained what the Texans reported as a "hip" injury. They have reported previous adductor strains as "hip" injuries, as the adductor is one of the muscles that move the hip. Later in the season, he sustained a definitive rupture of the adductor that took him out of almost all of the rest of the season. This injury was reported a "groin," as the adductor is part of the groin anatomy. In Jan 2013, he underwent "sports hernia surgery," an adductor tear being part of the "sports hernia" complex. I have no doubt that from Sept 2012 until he sustained the definitive rupture, he was dogged by his adductor.....an injury that compromised his performance throughout the 2012 season. I see optimism in Reed returning this season a rejuvenated and much improved player.
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I have a feeling Tuggle might be starting next to Cushing inside near the end of the season ....
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I don't know how this is determined, but a quick analysis of the stats shows he was, slightly, our best OLB...
Actually on a per snap basis Barwin was our worst OLB. He had twice as many snaps as Mercilus and Reed but only had 4 sacks to Reed 3/Mercilus 6, 24 QB hurries to Reed 18/Mercilus 14, and 24 stops to Reed 15/Mercilus 13. On tackles, it was a push after you equalized it.

So out of the three I choose Reed & Mercilus, as Barwin's notoriety was due more to his quirky personality & letterman's jacket than his play. ( He did have that 4 sack game against his whipping boy J-ville in 2011.)

Our OLBs were below average in 2012. We have a chance to move up to average with this group if health holds and we find the right rotation. Mercilus missing preseason did not help the cause. But Reed had a few "almost" plays this preseason, so perhaps a few of those will be converted with our starters in.
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