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Old 08-30-2013   #641
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I think he's done all HE can at this point for coaches to have faith in him. We won't know about his strengths/weaknesses in a real game vs real competition until he actually gets a chance to play in a game that matters vs other team's top defense.
Absolutely. Until we see him in real action against a real defense we will be left with nothing but his potential to discuss. My opinion is that he is for real, but until we can actually see that, we are all left wondering.
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Default Re: Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB

I think the phrase you're looking for is

"I'm still not convinced Kaepernic or Luck can be winners in
this league over the long term"

Because, technically they were successful starters in the short
term.

The difference between those two and Keenum is that they
were thrown into the fire immediately while Keenum is being
groomed.

Maybe trial by fire is best, or maybe the Aaron Rodgers method
is..

Gary just decided on option #2 with #7, we'll get the answer
a little later on I think..

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Then I guess nothing will.

Call me hard headed, but I'm still not convinced Kaepernick or Luck can be starters in this league.
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But . . . they already are starters in this league.
I know. So was/is Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chad Henne, Blaine Gabbert, Jamarcus Russel, Matt Cassell, Kevin Kolb, etc... etc... etc...
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I know. So was/is Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chad Henne, Blaine Gabbert, Jamarcus Russel, Matt Cassell, Kevin Kolb, etc... etc... etc...
Perhaps you should reword something....like "they may be starting, but that doesn't mean they SHOULD be starting".

Just nitpicking. QBs are defined by their team. Schaub is better because of who is around him, not because he is actually good.
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Perhaps you should reword something....like "they may be starting, but that doesn't mean they SHOULD be starting".

Just nitpicking. QBs are defined by their team. Schaub is better because of who is around him, not because he is actually good.

Call me hard headed, but I'm still not convinced Blaine Gabbert can be a starter in this league.

I think it works just fine, as worded.
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I know. So was/is Ryan Fitzpatrick, Chad Henne, Blaine Gabbert, Jamarcus Russel, Matt Cassell, Kevin Kolb, etc... etc... etc...
When did any of those guys ever have a season like Luck, Griffin, or Kapernick? These three guys CAN be starters in this league, because they've already proven it... The only question that remains is can they consistently be elite starting QBs.
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When did any of those guys ever have a season like Luck, Griffin, or Kapernick?
That is irrelevant. To my point, or the question asked.

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These three guys CAN be starters in this league, because they've already proven it... The only question that remains is can they consistently be elite starting QBs.
For the sake of your argument, how are we defining elite today? 4000 yards? 12 wins? It's a moving target & as you've noticed, I have difficulty keeping up.
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When did any of those guys ever have a season like Luck, Griffin, or Kapernick? .
2008 Cassel - 63.4%, 21 TDs, 11 INTs, 7.2 YPA,, 89.4 Rating
2012 Luck - 54.1%, 23 TDs, 18 INTs, 7.0 YPA, 76.5 Rating
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yeah, that and i'll go ahead and disagree with his hypotheticals as it makes no sense.
lol

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If Keenum didn't prove to his distractors that he's a future NFL QB during this pre-season then nothing will.

I see a day when Keenum is our starter. Or, if the Texans really **** this one up, someone else's starter.

I hope the latter isn't the Case.
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Call me hard headed, but I'm still not convinced Blaine Gabbert can be a starter in this league.

I think it works just fine, as worded.
You're hard headed.

It's all good. If any of us actually was that knowledgeable about football we probably wouldn't be posting here.
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Then I guess nothing will.

Call me hard headed, but I'm still not convinced Kaepernick or Luck can be starters in this league.
Hypothetically, you being hard headed?

Never

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Surely you've seen enough football to understand what I said. Think about Michael Vick, or Vince young. 1 read, then go. Sure you can be successful doing that for a little while... NFC Championship game successful. But surely not anything long term.

You've got to be able to read NFL defenses at NFL speeds & make NFL decisions.
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You've got to be able to read NFL defenses at NFL speeds & make NFL decisions.
And until we see Keenum actually do that (or not do it) we are all pissing into the wind.
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Surely you've seen enough football to understand what I said. Think about Michael Vick, or Vince young. 1 read, then go. Sure you can be successful doing that for a little while... NFC Championship game successful. But surely not anything long term.

You've got to be able to read NFL defenses at NFL speeds & make NFL decisions.
I get what your saying, but Luck took a crappy team to the playoffs as a rookie. He's got a few mechanical flaws, but Luck reminds me of a more athletic Peyton.

I'm afraid he's going to do to the Texans what Manning did for a decade.

Kaepernick is one of the most gifted athletes I've ever seen. Unlike Vick/VY he has height 6'5 and a 95 mph fastball to go with it. He appears to be a student of the game also. Kaepernick also has the best QB coach in the NFL. So he's got all of the tools he needs for success.
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I get what your saying, but Luck took a crappy team to the playoffs as a rookie. He's got a few mechanical flaws, but Luck reminds me of a more athletic Peyton.
Sounds like you're talking about Tbow

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I'm afraid he's going to do to the Texans what Manning did for a decade.
If he played like RG3, or Russell Wilson I could understand it.... or even Kaepernick. But he didn't. Not even close. Had Blaine Gabbert thrown the ball as often as Luck his stats would have been similar.

What do you think of Blaine Gabbert as a QB? Does he strike fear into your heart? One man doesn't win 11 games, not even Luck. Just like the Titans kept games close for VY

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Kaepernick is one of the most gifted athletes I've ever seen. Unlike Vick/VY he has height 6'5 and a 95 mph fastball to go with it. He appears to be a student of the game also. Kaepernick also has the best QB coach in the NFL. So he's got all of the tools he needs for success.
I do not doubt any of this. All I said, was let's see him do it again, prove he's the real deal.
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Then I guess nothing will.

Call me hard headed, but I'm still not convinced Kaepernick or Luck can be starters in this league.
OK, you're hard headed. (I say that in the kindest tone) They're both starters in the league, RIGHT NOW. And I don't profess to know much about spheroid ball but according to those who do, they're pretty damn good at it RIGHT NOW.

They're prolly one year wonders though and will consider themselves lucky and in high esteem to mentioned in the same breath along with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson and all them kinda cats.


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If he played like RG3, or Russell Wilson I could understand it.... or even Kaepernick. But he didn't. Not even close. Had Blaine Gabbert thrown the ball as often as Luck his stats would have been similar.

What do you think of Blaine Gabbert as a QB? Does he strike fear into your heart? One man doesn't win 11 games, not even Luck. Just like the Titans kept games close for VY
LOL, now you're comparing Luck to Elaine Gabbert? Wow.


Also it's true that one man doesn't win 11 games, but a very good QB gives you the chance to win every week. A very good QB can step in and from day #1 and can turn the worst team in the entire league from a year before and take the team to the playoffs.... Luck did that. Elaine Gabbert will be released before he ever sniffs the playoffs as a starting QB.

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keenum has the best footwork, killer instinct, fastest release, and "it" factor among our amazing 3 qb's. he just needs the experience.

the idea of 4th and goal knowing that keenum can handoff to foster up the gut, play action, quick throw, or qb sneak makes this guy have the most weapons. future looks really bright.

there's a reason why keenum isn't going back to the practice squad. yates has more years experience plus a playoff win under his belt and keenum is making it hard to choose between the 2.

i'm good making case a 3rd stinger. he'll be that good next year because he'll be hungrier.
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LOL, now you're comparing Luck to Elaine Gabbert? Wow.


Also it's true that one man doesn't win 11 games, but a very good QB gives you the chance to win every week. A very good QB can step in and from day #1 can turn the worst team in the entire league from a year before and take the team to the playoffs.... Luck did that. Elaine Gabbert will be released before he even sniffs the playoffs as a starting QB.
I really don't see how anyone could consider this guy knowledgable as far as football goes even a little when he says outlandish statements like this. Personally, I think it's for attention, because there is no way a guy could watch as much football as he claims and state that Kapernick and Luck haven't proven that they are starters in this league. He is just trolling to create conversation. If not, that would be even worse, but I can't believe that he honestly believes that in his mind.
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