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Old 08-29-2013   #21
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I'm aware of that, but that wasn't part of the CBA negotiated in 2011. There's also nothing in that agreement that impacts Lemon's situation.
It was negotiated in 2012. I posted it above your response. Lemon would be eligible if they so designate him as the one.
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I can't fathom the idea that this is "bad" for him. It means, tangibly, that he is getting paid a nice salary for at least the next 16 weeks and, intangibly, that an NFL team thinks enough of him to subvert the rules to keep him around.

Sounds like damn nice situation to be in to me.
This is the equivalent of the NFL Redshirt. Keeps him with the team, in the system, strength and conditioning, etc., and shows the team sees him as a potential contributor for the future.

He probably wants to play in 2 weeks - the team is thinking 2 years down the line.
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If Jean doesn't make progress, I can see Lemon stealing his spot next year
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If Jean doesn't make progress, I can see Lemon stealing his spot next year
You could add Martin to the list of guy's job he may take in the future.
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I can't fathom the idea that this is "bad" for him. It means, tangibly, that he is getting paid a nice salary for at least the next 16 weeks and, intangibly, that an NFL team thinks enough of him to subvert the rules to keep him around.

Sounds like damn nice situation to be in to me.
I don't think being obligated not to play for a whole year is equitable to Lemon, even if he's compensated. If he's willing to do that, fine, but if not he should be released and given the opportunity to negotiate an employment arrangement elsewhere in the NFL.
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I don't think being obligated not to play for a whole year is equitable to Lemon, even if he's compensated. If he's willing to do that, fine, but if not he should be released and given the opportunity to negotiate an employment arrangement elsewhere in the NFL.
You're talking about a guy who had a 5% chance of making a team and 4% of that was with the Texans. This guarantees him a damn good salary this year and an improved chance with the Texans next year having worked with the team for a year.
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If Jean doesn't make progress, I can see Lemon stealing his spot next year
Or D Posey if he never fully recovered from his Achilles injury!
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I don't think being obligated not to play for a whole year is equitable to Lemon, even if he's compensated. If he's willing to do that, fine, but if not he should be released and given the opportunity to negotiate an employment arrangement elsewhere in the NFL.
Fair or not, this is a strategic move by the team. Regardless what another poster wrote about a 5% chance of playing, I'd peg it at closer to 90% chance that had he been placed on the PS he would have been picked up by another team.

Putting him on IR keeps him in the fold, besides he has a 3 year contract with the team - even if every year is an option year...
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For all we know Lemon is extatic he is still with the team.
That Sir, is exactly my thought as well. Damn good money and job security while having another year to learn the system. It's a no lose situation for Mr. Lemon.

Wish I could find a gig like that!
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You're talking about a guy who had a 5% chance of making a team and 4% of that was with the Texans. This guarantees him a damn good salary this year and an improved chance with the Texans next year having worked with the team for a year.
I get all of that, and this might very well be, actually probably is the best thing for him in terms of his own financial security because most young athletes have inflated, really unrealistic expectations of their ability to succeed. And I'm certainly not a union-guy, not in the least a sympathizer of the NHL Players union. I'm very much a company man.
However I still think he should be given the option to work elsewhere in the league, ill advised as it might be for him to walk away from this deal if he could do so.
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I get all of that, and this might very well be, actually probably is the best thing for him in terms of his own financial security because most young athletes have inflated, really unrealistic expectations of their ability to succeed. And I'm certainly not a union-guy, not in the least a sympathizer of the NHL Players union. I'm very much a company man.
However I still think he should be given the option to work elsewhere in the league, ill advised as it might be for him to walk away from this deal if he could do so.
He's not being kept from working in the league.

He is working in the league. He is receiving a paycheck from an NFL organization and is receiving organizational benefits (coaching, nutrition, S&C, etc.)

Much ado about nothing.
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Wish I could find a gig like that!
~$470k a year to sit on the trainers table .... yeah , count me in.


I'll even show up early ..... and stay late so long as the trainer chick is somewhat hot.
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I like Lemon better than Jean. Do not trust Jean to catch the ball.
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I like Lemon better than Jean. Do not trust Jean to catch the ball.
That touchdown he caught from Keenum is a prime example , despite the fact that he caught it , that he isn't starting quality .... He let the ball fall into his hands rather than going to get it.

I want receivers that attack the ball , not let it hit them in the helmet (last week).
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You could add Martin to the list of guy's job he may take in the future.
I agree K. Martin needs to step up this year, Posey come's in after not playing football for months and make plays
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Bonner and Trevardo may be joining him soon...
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I like Lemon better than Jean. Do not trust Jean to catch the ball.
I don't trust Keyshawn Martin's hands either. Hopefully Posey will supplant both of them soon and be the third receiver.
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