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Old 08-28-2013   #181
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The Texans cut or got rid of Winston, D Ryans, Brisiel, Dreessen, etc... And what happened next? Texans won the division.
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Better off trying to get 3 first rds + for JJ.
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As long as they aren't tying themselves to Eric Winston & Kevin Walter or players of their ilk..... it's all good.
For the record eric winston is better than newton hands down
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Might be the worst sentence ever written on this forum.
Texian is a very radical thinker. He thought we had the ability to trade up to draft RGIII and that we should've traded Andre as well before that draft. He does know football, but he'll throw some crazy stuff out there from time to time.
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The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years. This is a big reason why the Texans depth is so thin because all they can afford is minimums, vet minimums or maybe a tad more. Borrowing $12 -$15 million in advance to pay players today doesn't sound like much until you consider $12-$15 million would pay for 4 to 5 $3 mil a yr players this year. Like I said some see this buy now pay later strategy...as it's all good and some of us don't. The 53 man roster will be determined by as much as anything is what the Texans can afford vs who are really the very best 53 players available.
Who did the Texans restructure in the recent years that you are referring to? Antonio Smith (2011) and Andre Johnson (2011, 2012)? Show me how you got to $12 - $15m in restructured contracts and that you aren't just throwing numbers around.
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For the record eric winston is better than newton hands down
As someone who scrutinized the heck out of Winston before he was cut...I agree with the statement above. Winston's pass blocking was even better than Newton's and that's not saying a lot
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There is no cap in baseball. The last 3 years the Texans have started with their backs up against the salary cap wall (little or no room). It doesn't appear that there is any relief in the near future. This puts the Texans at a distinct disadvantage because they've consistently pushed money to future years, year after year. The Steelers and Patriots are NOT having to restructure contracts 3 years in a row. The Texans have converted quite a few of today's salaries to tomorrows dollars. When Mario became a FA and his $20 million salary came off the books the Texans still started the new year over the cap. Yep, these guys are doing a swell job.
But the Patriots have been restructuring or extending contracts all the time.
I know for sure that they extended Mankins in 2011, restructured Brady and Ocho Cinco's contract in 2012, and extended Brady this off-season.

They were also in talk in Lloyd to restructure his contract, but talk broke down.

Brady's extension frees up $8M for them.
It was supposed to allow the Pats to resign Welker.
For some reason, Welker decided to sign with the Broncos for cheap at $12M over 2 years.
At the NFL meeting, Kraft insisted that the Pats had a better offer.

The Pats settled for Amendola; they also let guys like Kyle Love, Patrick Chung, Donald Thomas and Woodhead go.
If they had kept all of these guys, the cap space that their contracts require over their replacements would have wiped out the Pats even with Brady's extension.

So, if saying that managing the cap can be done easily by just letting good players walk, then the Pats have been doing a wonderful job, just like any other team in the NFL.
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For the record eric winston is better than newton hands down
Newton was a first time starter who was playing through an injury.
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The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years.
Would you happen to know the number for the other NFL teams? Preferably the Patriots & Steelers since many think that is the definition of long term cap management.

But I'd also wonder what the number is for the Ravens (who damn near dumped their whole team), the Packers, & the 49ers.
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I agree with the statement above. Winston's pass blocking was even better than Newton's and that's not saying a lot
Not.

Right now & since Newton has come back from his bum knee his pass blocking has been on par with Eric Winston. That sack he gave up to Cameron Wake, no doubt in my mind Eric Winston would have gave up that one & more to Cameron Wake.

No doubt in my mind.
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Would you happen to know the number for the other NFL teams? Preferably the Patriots & Steelers since many think that is the definition of long term cap management.

But I'd also wonder what the number is for the Ravens (who damn near dumped their whole team), the Packers, & the 49ers.
From what I think I understand, there's really not that much for any team that want to compete. The top players will demand a certain salary mostly based on market prices.

The one way that a team can do better is to constantly hit in the draft and to get lucky with the UDFAs.

Big Ben has restructured each of the last three years.
Flacco's new contract is structured so that this year, the cap hit is low, but it will accelerate.
Guys like Kaepernick and Wilson, when their time come, surely will demand a good chunk of money.

There can certainly be bad cap management, but IMO, there's not necessarily great cap management. It has to do more with coaching and scouting.
Good coaches and a good scouting department will make the guys that manage the cap look real smart.
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The Texans in 2013 are only utilizing about 85-88% of the actual fully allotted salary cap because they've restructured so many contracts in recent years past. (mortgaged the future) The other 12-15% has been borrowed from future years. This is a big reason why the Texans depth is so thin because all they can afford is minimums, vet minimums or maybe a tad more.
I do not agree that the Texans depth is any thinner than other teams. No team has an all pro starting 22 with 22 starter caliber backups in today's NFL.
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I do not agree that the Texans depth is any thinner than other teams. No team has an all pro starting 22 with 22 starter caliber backups in today's NFL.
When you look at the Patriots depth chart, especially on defense, I don't think you even want more than two or three of them to be a backup for the Texans.
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Just cut him now and be done with it. I can't believe the Texans got Bosellied again. Geez.

Tony was still young and cut down early much like Ed Reed. Maybe Cushing can hook him up with some good vitamins.
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Absolutely not surprising, but better than putting him on reserve PUP.
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Absolutely not surprising, but better than putting him on reserve PUP.
Been saying it since he signed: this is Ed being Ed. Its his thing and he did it almost every year in Baltimore.
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Been saying it since he signed: this is Ed being Ed. Its his thing and he did it almost every year in Baltimore.
I've been saying the same thing. He's too competitive of a guy to willingly miss meaningful games.
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Been saying it since he signed: this is Ed being Ed. Its his thing and he did it almost every year in Baltimore.
Do you really believe that means anything, and that he would have been put on the regular season PUP for ANY reason? Steroid injections so soon after a hip labrum tear surgery carries a bad connotation, either continued significant inflammation or arthritis in the hip (both associated with acute degeneration of soft and/or hard tissues). And the injections, although they mask pain..........they heal nothing. In fact they are more likely to destroy additional hip tissues (tendons, ligaments and cartilage)........with the player continuing to play without "feeling" the progressing damage until another major injury occurs. It is obvious the the Texans and Reed will hold back nothing to prove that their contract was not a mistake. Ultimately, we'll only see how it plays out after looking back over the entire course of the season.
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Do you really believe that means anything, and that he would have been put on the regular season PUP for ANY reason? Steroid injections so soon after a hip labrum tear surgery carries a bad connotation, either continued significant inflammation or arthritis in the hip (both associated with acute degeneration of soft and/or hard tissues). And the injections, although they mask pain..........they heal nothing. In fact they are more likely to destroy additional hip tissues (tendons, ligaments and cartilage)........with the player continuing to play without "feeling" the progressing damage until another major injury occurs. It is obvious the the Texans and Reed will hold back nothing to prove that their contract was not a mistake. Ultimately, we'll only see how it plays out after looking back over the entire course of the season.
Ed always had a procedure after the season ends, like clockwork. Im not trying to discrediting anything you are saying but he has a long history of the same instances. He has an offseason regime and takes really great care of himself.

The poor guy is 137 years old and hates pre-season.
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Ed always had a procedure after the season ends, like clockwork. Im not trying to discrediting anything you are saying but he has a long history of the same instances. He has an offseason regime and takes really great care of himself.

The poor guy is 137 years old and hates pre-season.
I didn't in any way take your remarks as trying to discredit my statements. And I understand what you are saying. Known history is what people will tend to fall back on. However, just like the Black Night, at one point in time, you lose too many parts, or the parts you still have wear out and are in dire need of replacement.
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