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Old 08-27-2013   #41
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The biggest problem I have with Schaub is that he lets the
"bigness" of the game get into his head and he plays tight.

In my opinion, the reason Schaub doesn't beat the elite
QB's is because he presses (mentally) and makes mistakes
leading to turnovers when he's playing them.

I saw this out of him in the NO game in 2011 and the Packer
and NE games in 2012.

I think this is entirely fixable, or it should be.. If he just
keeps his cool and plays he should be ok. It's not like his
talent level drops off when he plays these guys.

It's like he switches from wanting to win (against the typical
QB led teams) to "not wanting to lose" against the elite
QB's

Hopefully last year's playoff experience will help him overcome
this a bit..

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When you watch him on TV ,,its like,,,he does not have that look in his eyes(The eye of the Tiger)look!!!he has the (I hope nothing bad happens look)on his face..

I have never dogged Shaub--but last 4 games last year WAS SAD.

But a new year GO TEXANS
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34-15 against non-playoff teams, 10-23 against playoff teams.

Not saying that's all on him but some of it is.

Nevertheless, its a telling stat and the talk of him choking in big situations is justified.
44-38 is a good record... Would you rather he lose to the bad teams? That doesn't seem to be an odd record to me... We win fewer games against the really good teams. Doesn't that apply to every team in th nfl?

Much of those records were compiled in 2008-10 when schaub was slinging the ball all over the place and we lost games because of bad defense and no running game.

Does schaub need to play better than he did the last two months of 2013? YES!

Does he need to be better than he was in 2012 before the injury? No!
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Schaub's problem is he's not Drew Brees... or Aaron Rogers... or Tom Brady.
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Schaub's problem is he's not Drew Brees... or Aaron Rogers... or Tom Brady.
His problem is no "consistent" reciever besides OD, AF, and Dre.
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For me personally, he still has to make up for throwing the ball into the dirt in the playoffs against the Pats, even though there wasn't anywhere near him.

Sure, we've heard it before, Schaub has an internal clock built in. But you won't see Superbowl QBs do that. Internal clock or not, if you have time, you wait till the last possible second to throw it to the ground.

Maybe Schaub holds on to, and one of his receivers break away from their man.

I remember feeling disgusted when I saw that.
So the guy's whole career is broken down to 1 play in your eyes? come on man, that's just ... part of the reason the guy has been hurt alot in his career is b/c he's taken too many unneccessary hits. Part of the reason for that is b/c his o-line sucked early on...the other part is b/c he was holding on to the ball too long waiting until the last minute for guys to come free.

As far as the bolded.. Manning is still doing what he's doing at his age b/c the guy's internal clock is legendary. He simply does not hold on to the ball. In the event that he's flushed from the pocket, most times he gets rid of it pretty quick...largely b/c he's a slug like schaub too. The only difference in the 2 as of right now is Manning gets to run his own offense how he sees fit & audible to......whatever...Schaub gets to audible, but he's got to do it within Gary's conservative as approach.
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Schaub's problem is he's not Drew Brees... or Aaron Rogers... or Tom Brady.
Basically.....People can't seem to grasp the fact that these guys they keep comparing him are HOFer's...That's all time greats over the history of the NFL. When u look at it from that perspective, he'll never be good enough no matter what he does.

I'm of the opinion that if Gary loosened the reigns on him & the offense a little bit, let him have more control & changed it up a little more...especially on 3rd and long... we'd be a better team for it in the end. We simply can't rely on sustaining 8 minute 9+ play drives like we do. It's a good strategy against not so good teams b/c those teams likely aren't good enough offensively to come back in a short time...but against better teams, we need more explosive plays to prevent them from sitting on our "running clock" base offense.

Schaub would probably throw more picks with this approach, but he'd also probably throw more TD's too. The conservatism is killing this team more than anything imo.
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That was one thing I noticed too.

Having worked in and around military agencies for a while
I can tell you that the demeanor of a born leader is very different
than that of others.

When Schaub gets angry, he gets motivated (Mays ear bite,
Suh nad kick, etc.) but he just doesn't seem to have that
"charge the hill with me!" drive most of the time.

TJ

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Schaub led the league in passing when we opened the offense in 2009. More or less incorporating "the Spread"

Schaub's problem, & I know some don't want to hear it, is that he is not a leader. The reason he doesn't put the team on his shoulder & will them to a victory, is that he's along for the ride, just like they are. Waiting for instruction from someone else about how they should feel, or react.

It was a small thing, but I saw Tj look at one of our receivers, tapped his chest & you could read his lips, "My fault, that was on me." You saw him run into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game. Case did the same thing, he ran from the 50 yard line into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game.

Schaub gives us a conservative fist pump when we get into field goal range in a play-off game......... yeah.

I know that's all subjective & doesn't mean a lot. But think about this. Keyshawn Martin started the season pretty hot. A few dropped balls & he could barely get on the field. LeStar Jean came in for a few games, caught a ball or two.... failed to catch a few... then his appearances started to dwindle. Devier comes in, makes some nice catches, some nice plays.... then his Achilles prevented us from seeing how far that could have gone.

We just finished preseason game #3 & it appears Schaub has already forgotten anyone not named Andre Johnson. Granted, if Andre is open, you're going to throw the ball to Andre
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So the guy's whole career is broken down to 1 play in your eyes? come on man, that's just ... part of the reason the guy has been hurt alot in his career is b/c he's taken too many unneccessary hits. Part of the reason for that is b/c his o-line sucked early on...the other part is b/c he was holding on to the ball too long waiting until the last minute for guys to come free.

As far as the bolded.. Manning is still doing what he's doing at his age b/c the guy's internal clock is legendary. He simply does not hold on to the ball. In the event that he's flushed from the pocket, most times he gets rid of it pretty quick...largely b/c he's a slug like schaub too. The only difference in the 2 as of right now is Manning gets to run his own offense how he sees fit & audible to......whatever...Schaub gets to audible, but he's got to do it within Gary's conservative as approach.
I'm not summing up his career in one play, but that example does accurately reflect one of of Schaub's biggest flaws.

I can't ever recall Manning or Brady throwing the ball into the dirt in a playoff game while being safe in the pocket. You can have the best internal clock in the world, but it doesn't mean anything when you don't have the awareness to see that internal clock or not, you're still safe and you still have time.
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I'm not summing up his career in one play, but that example does accurately reflect one of of Schaub's biggest flaws.

I can't ever recall Manning or Brady throwing the ball into the dirt in a playoff game while being safe in the pocket. You can have the best internal clock in the world, but it doesn't mean anything when you don't have the awareness to see that internal clock or not, you're still safe and you still have time.
You must not watch alot of ball then......

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It's one of the worst things you can say against an NFL quarterback. That they're scared of the defensive pass rush -- and hearing footsteps from phantom pass rushers who aren't close to them.

One day after telling media that New England Patriots QB Tom Brady is not "God," New York Giants defensive lineman Jason Pierre-Paul said he believes Brady felt pressure that wasn't there during the Giants' 24-20 victory in New England this season, according to Ian O'Connor of ESPNNewYork.com.

Asked how a consistent pass rush will affect Tom Terrific, JPP said Thursday:


I think it won't have much impact on his performance, because ... if you look at Week 9 when we played them, it's like he felt us...We went back on the film, we watched the film and we didn't really rush as we can as a defense. ... He was throwing balls on the ground and stuff.

Was Brady flinching from phantom pass rushers? Yes, said JPP:


Yeah, he was reacting to pressure that didn't exist and he was just throwing the ball places that there wasn't a receiver there. So imagine us just getting there even faster and we're actually doing out jobs and getting there and getting hits on him.
This was just last year...They all do it..Schaub is just unfairly singled out here for it is all.
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Schaub makes a snail look like Usain Bolt.
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You must not watch alot of ball then......



This was just last year...They all do it..Schaub is just unfairly singled out here for it is all.
Quote whatever you feel like quoting, but like I originally said in my post, I don't recall ever seeing Brady or Manning throw a ball into the dirt in a PLAYOFF game. When you're season is on the line, and there's no next game if you lose.

The whole playoff factor adds a lot to the context.

And if we want to add more context to your example, that giants patriots game was a regular season game that was very close throughout. Throwing into the dirt in a close regular season game is valid because of the different options you have, wanting to stay in striking distance, and wanting to stay healthy as a QB.

Being down by two scores in an elimination game, you don't throw the ball into the dirt.

Thank you for the "you don't watch a lot football" dig though.
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Blah, blah, blah, Doc!! Can his foot hold up this season???

First off, you called the "breakdown" of Schaub last season coming off his Lins Franc injury. A lot of past players that have been subjected to that same injury which many have never recovered from.

Bottom line question, can he make it back this season??

Have you seen anything in this preseason that tells you that his foot will hold up better than last season????


Since you didn't understand me the first time, I'll try to repeat it again:


BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I hope that cleared everything up for everyone now.







And if that didn't, maybe this will.

No one, including me, can be 100% sure that he won't play this season out, or that he will not be more effective this season than last. But by the known natural history of his injury, from what I've seen on the field thus far, and the fact that there are other factors that he could very well be dealing with on top of what he was dealing with last year, the odds are not with him.

Studies have shown that following Lisfranc fractures, up to 50% of patients will develop significant progressive arthritis (due to damage/loss of cartilage at the time of the injury) that can lead to debilitating pain, tenderness and stiffness of the joint(s) in the foot. This does not present immediately. It typically develops ~1-2 yrs following the injury (Schaub's occurred November 13, 2011.......1 year 9 months ago). Arthritis doesn't get better with continued trauma to the involved areas, and in fact usually encourages the progression.

Some people here have referred to my posts being "pessimistic" and "depressing" more times than not. Well, guys, INJURIES ARE DEPRESSING for both surgeons and realistic fans.

As to Schaub, he will have some challenging "ISSUES" that will be awaiting him, and which he will have to try to overcome this upcoming season.

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Basically.....People can't seem to grasp the fact that these guys they keep comparing him are HOFer's...
Actually, people just compare him to Super Bowl winning QBs. Because that's the standard. That's the goal. I mean, I guess we could compare him to Brad Johnson, if you like. At the end of the day, all anyone wants is a Super Bowl win, and Schaub doesn't fill people with confidence. The QB position is more important than it ever was, increasingly so each season, and ours doesn't fill people with confidence that he can do the things that recent QBs have had to do to win Super Bowls. That doesn't mean he's a bad QB, but unless you have the '00 Ravens D, it's not good enough.
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schaub is suppose to be a smart, reliable game manager but he cant even do that right. He throws ridiculous head scratching interceptions especially during crucial times and his ball placement is just horrible because he's not an accurate quarterback.
I was starting to take you serious, then you go & do this.

Schaub's got his faults, but you've missed the target all together. I agree his ball placement is curious at times, but I don't think that's because he is inaccurate. If you've watched him for the last 6 years, you'd know his problem isn't accuracy.
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Studies have shown that following Lisfranc fractures, up to 50% of patients will develop significant progressive arthritis (due to damage/loss of cartilage at the time of the injury) that can lead to debilitating pain, tenderness and stiffness of the joint(s) in the foot. This does not present immediately. It typically develops ~1-2 yrs following the injury (Schaub's occurred November 13, 2011.......1 year 9 months ago). Arthritis doesn't get better with continued trauma to the involved areas, and in fact usually encourages the progression.
Imagine the Texans medical advisers shared thi same information with them 1 year 9 months ago. In your opinion what would have been the most prudent course of action for the Texans regarding the QB position?
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i really couldnt care less if you took me seriously or not.

You just like schaub are the ones that missed the target all together.

If schaub was an accurate quarterback, he wouldnt have horrible ball placement. lol.

Ive seen every single texans game in history including preseason. Schaub is not an accurate quarterback.
Your assessment is both faulty and meaningless.
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I'm still not convinced that Schaub's seeming inability to extend plays or adlib is due to any fault of his. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that he's under direct orders from Kubiak to take a sack or throw the ball away rather than commit a turnover. The shortest path to Kubiak's doghouse is to commit a turnover.

I wouldn't underestimate the role Kubiak plays in the way Schaub performs on the field.

Schaub has his faults and limitations and Kubiak seems to be more willing to limit the faults and weaknesses than expand upon the positives and strengths.
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Actually, people just compare him to Super Bowl winning QBs. Because that's the standard. That's the goal. I mean, I guess we could compare him to Brad Johnson, if you like. At the end of the day, all anyone wants is a Super Bowl win, and Schaub doesn't fill people with confidence. The QB position is more important than it ever was, increasingly so each season, and ours doesn't fill people with confidence that he can do the things that recent QBs have had to do to win Super Bowls. That doesn't mean he's a bad QB, but unless you have the '00 Ravens D, it's not good enough.
The comparisons to Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer don't apply b/c Schuab is better than both those guys...in Trent Dilfer's case, better than he ever was. Nevertheless, i'm sure those respective ball clubs could care less how they got their champions.

Eli Manning nor Joe Flacco were considered anything before they won. and guys of their ilk have lead their teams to wins in 3 of the last 6 SB's. I'm sure before that happened their fans weren't exactly confident that they could do it either. As a matter of fact, the upper echelon qb's have lost more SB's than they won over the last 6 seasons.

As for the bolded, you couldn't be more wrong..the qb position as we know it is increasingly becoming less important when it comes to winning a SB; Largely b/c many head coaches in the NFL who don't have those prototypical franchise qb's (most) have started to tailor thier offenses to these non-traditional guys and are putting their resources elsewhere to build up the team as a whole. In addition to this, they're realizing that stepping outside the box at the right time in the season & especially in a 1 game win or go home scenario, can be the difference between winning and losing. Our coach hasn't realized this yet.

The other thing is why hold it against schaub to need a top rated defense to help him out but give guys like Ben Rothlisberger a pass? Here's a guy who sucked in his 1st SB appearance as a game manager but won anyway b/c he had a top 3 defense backing him...played better in his 2nd and got a ring.....but had the #1 rated defense backing him..& in his 3rd appearance he had the #1 rated defense backing him & he lost. Apart from those 3 seasons, his playoff record doesn't look any better than what Schaub has done...wildcard losses and everything. You could also say the same thing about Eli Manning.

My overriding point is that yes.... qb is the most important position, but it's not the only position & the most recent SB's defensive plays have been just as important as the offensive plays.
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i really couldnt care less if you took me seriously or not.

You just like schaub are the ones that missed the target all together.

If schaub was an accurate quarterback, he wouldnt have horrible ball placement. lol.

Ive seen every single texans game in history including preseason. Schaub is not an accurate quarterback.
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yea according to you.

according to reality and game film, schaub has horrible ball placement.

but according to yall, he does have horrible ball placement but its not because he's inaccurate lol.....

smdh.....
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