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Old 08-26-2013   #21
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anybody catch that fox graphic in the saints game where they showed schaub's win loss record vs playoff or winning teams?

he was like 30 something wins vs 15 losses vs non playoff elite teams then he was like an atrocious 10-27 vs elite playoff teams?

anybody have a screen cap of that stat?
Not to be a Schaub defender but how many of those games did he lose when he faced the Manning lead Colts twice a year with a craptastic defense? We have only been good for two years now and has been the QB 7 years?

Given the two losses to the Pats and Packers last season doesn't help but he also beat the Ravens and Broncos last season.
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anybody catch that fox graphic in the saints game where they showed schaub's win loss record vs playoff or winning teams?

he was like 30 something wins vs 15 losses vs non playoff elite teams then he was like an atrocious 10-27 vs elite playoff teams?

anybody have a screen cap of that stat?
I caught that, too.

Schaub looked good yesterday, but he usually does in the first half of the season when the pressure isn't on. We all know what happened when the games got bigger. Hopefully, it was a learning experience for ol' Schaubie.

Otherwise... Well, at least the Rockets look like a contender!
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i dont think its a bogus stat. win loss records of QBs are often talked about by nfl analysts.



so since its against manning and the fact that we had a bad defense it doesnt count? it only counts when we have a great defense?

i dont get that all.
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Um.......Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, etc.... can not do it alone. You cant hold one player accountable for wins/losses when some of the pieces are damn near non existant. Did you see how bad our defense was in those early Schaub years??
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Yeah, and it is a bogus stat. Teams win and lose games and every one of them does better against non-playoff teams.
The fact that you had to respond to that says a lot.
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of course. you act as if brees, rogers, and manning have always had great defenses around they year in and year out. they havent. they have had bad defenses, they have had to deal with injuries.

of course you cant do it alone.

that's why matt schaub had a pro bowl left tackle, pro bowl left guard, pro bowl center, pro bowl running back, pro bowl wide receiver, and a pro bowl caliber tight end. Yet offense still struggled.

But dont let those facts keep you from defending schaub.
Not to defend Schaub, but the Patriots had the 31st ranked defense in 2011, the Packers had the 32nd. The Patriots were in the Super Bowl that year & the Packers were bounced from the divisional round.

In 2010 we had the 30th ranked defense & Schaub led us to 6-10.
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of course. you act as if brees, rogers, and manning have always had great defenses around they year in and year out. they havent. they have had bad defenses, they have had to deal with injuries.

of course you cant do it alone.

that's why matt schaub had a pro bowl left tackle, pro bowl left guard, pro bowl center, pro bowl running back, pro bowl wide receiver, and a pro bowl caliber tight end. Yet offense still struggled.

But dont let those facts keep you from defending schaub.
Oh please, I am one of the biggest Schaub detractors here. But it is just stupid to pin those losses on one player. If they are an elite team as posted in your original quote then one man can NOT beat them. Its a watered down statistic and anyone with any knowledge of the league knows this.

Must mean Manning sucks since he lost all those games to the Steelers and Pats.
Brady must suck because he couldn't beat Eli twice
Brees must suck because his team finished with a losing record last season.

See how it works?
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I was at the game Sunday and he looks slower in real life than on TV
Yep, Schaub is a statue.
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Thanks for the heads up. It's difficult to make out foot work on a still, or foot position, unless you see exactly where the ball was to be thrown in any one route. That takes video to put it in context. Viewing the game, it appeared that in some plays, the front foot position was correct. In some, it appeared errant. Those where he was hurried contained more of the errant. He continued to look slow when compared to pre-injury 2011. He is still throwing off of his back foot too often, and has shown no ability so far to simply quick side-step or play action to the left or show us any examples of his old jump passes. I'll continue to watch him as the season progress.........as will everyone else. As much as the Saints game was hyped as being a strong test for our offense, keep in mind that Ryan's 3-4 defense was just recently installed, and was hardly clicking. Schaub can certainly expect to be much more seriously challenged both in pass rush and pass coverage beginning the 1st quarter of the regular season. Only then will we truly begin to have an idea of how he will respond..........and, thereafter through the long season, how long he will "hold up."
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Not to defend Schaub, but the Patriots had the 31st ranked defense in 2011, the Packers had the 32nd. The Patriots were in the Super Bowl that year & the Packers were bounced from the divisional round.

In 2010 we had the 30th ranked defense & Schaub led us to 6-10.
Soooo, you're saying Schaub isn't Manning or Brady? Not even the most hardcore Schaub defender would ever argue that.

I'm also pretty sure Manning and Brady's record vs playoff teams isn't as good as it is vs non-playoff teams. What does that mean? Nothing, it's just common sense.
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For me personally, he still has to make up for throwing the ball into the dirt in the playoffs against the Pats, even though there wasn't anywhere near him.

Sure, we've heard it before, Schaub has an internal clock built in. But you won't see Superbowl QBs do that. Internal clock or not, if you have time, you wait till the last possible second to throw it to the ground.

Maybe Schaub holds on to, and one of his receivers break away from their man.

I remember feeling disgusted when I saw that.
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For me personally, he still has to make up for throwing the ball into the dirt in the playoffs against the Pats, even though there wasn't anywhere near him.

Sure, we've heard it before, Schaub has an internal clock built in. But you won't see Superbowl QBs do that. Internal clock or not, if you have time, you wait till the last possible second to throw it to the ground.

Maybe Schaub holds on to, and one of his receivers break away from their man.

I remember feeling disgusted when I saw that.
I'll see your throw in the dirt and raise you the rollout to the left where he escaped the rush (wonders!) then proceeded to try and force the ball to James (I can't catch playoff TDs in the end zone) Casey and got it picked off. The score was 24 - 13 Pats in the middle of the third qtr. We could have drawn to within 4 pts. The Pats turned that INT into 7 pts and never looked back.

THAT, my friend, was disgusting.

And I apologize for reviving that memory for those of you, like me, who are trying to delete all traces of that game from their brains.
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The article says it all, Schaub is a system QB, he's part of the puzzle not the different maker. If the defense can scheme or disrupt the system, then he's not going to throw the team on his shoulders and will them to a win.

When and if he does that, he'll carry us to a superbowl and I'll sit down with a huge piece of humble pie and video tape it and post it in facebook. Now that being said, of all the QB's on the roster I think Schaub is our best chance this year, unless he just goes downhill.

Yates/Keenum either have to step up, or we trade for someone if we have another end of year debacle with Schaub again, the QB's coming out college this year don't seem like we have top end talent.
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Soooo, you're saying Schaub isn't Manning or Brady? Not even the most hardcore Schaub defender would ever argue that.
Sooooo, you're saying Brady & Rogers can do it alone? See, I was responding to the comments saying they couldn't.

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Worse.

Sure. But I bet they have a winning record against those teams.

The only difference between Schaub & the elite QBs is his W-L record. Fair or not.
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Thanks for the heads up. It's difficult to make out foot work on a still, or foot position, unless you see exactly where the ball was to be thrown in any one route. That takes video to put it in context. Viewing the game, it appeared that in some plays, the front foot position was correct. In some, it appeared errant. Those where he was hurried contained more of the errant. He continued to look slow when compared to pre-injury 2011. He is still throwing off of his back foot too often, and has shown no ability so far to simply quick side-step or play action to the left or show us any examples of his old jump passes. I'll continue to watch him as the season progress.........as will everyone else. As much as the Saints game was hyped as being a strong test for our offense, keep in mind that Ryan's 3-4 defense was just recently installed, and was hardly clicking. Schaub can certainly expect to be much more seriously challenged both in pass rush and pass coverage beginning the 1st quarter of the regular season. Only then will we truly begin to have an idea of how he will respond..........and, thereafter through the long season, how long he will "hold up."
Blah, blah, blah, Doc!! Can his foot hold up this season???

First off, you called the "breakdown" of Schaub last season coming off his Lins Franc injury. A lot of past players that have been subjected to that same injury which many have never recovered from.

Bottom line question, can he make it back this season??

Have you seen anything in this preseason that tells you that his foot will hold up better than last season????
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The article says it all, Schaub is a system QB, he's part of the puzzle not the different maker. If the defense can scheme or disrupt the system, then he's not going to throw the team on his shoulders and will them to a win.

When and if he does that, he'll carry us to a superbowl and I'll sit down with a huge piece of humble pie and video tape it and post it in facebook. Now that being said, of all the QB's on the roster I think Schaub is our best chance this year, unless he just goes downhill.
i'm a schaub homer and completely agree ... and i dont see anything wrong with that. we are a very strict, very system based team. and schaub fits that system very well. sure i'd like someone like eli or ben who can turn turds into touchdowns or brady and manning who can carry entire franchises, but schaub is good at playing kubiak's game while better quarterbacks wouldnt be. dude was on a run of 16-1 from 2011 through 2012 ... you have to be pretty good to do that regardless of what else is going on.

the rub for me is that schaub and kubiak both fall apart when pushed out of their comfort zone. i HATE our empty backfield sets and we probably have the ugliest draws/delays in football. we struggle to move the ball in ways that require us to spread out. we do however run arguably the best base offense in football with schaub. our time of possession is ridiculous and schaub is money in those areas.

the reason i and i think many here are rooting so hard for case is that he fills those deficiencies. he can run a spread offense, he can make something from nothing, and he gives a dimension that can worry defenses when we're not in our comfort zone ... all while still being able to handle our strengths in our base packages.
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Blah, blah, blah, Doc!! Can his foot hold up this season???

First off, you called the "breakdown" of Schaub last season coming off his Lins Franc injury. A lot of past players that have been subjected to that same injury which many have never recovered from.

Bottom line question, can he make it back this season??

Have you seen anything in this preseason that tells you that his foot will hold up better than last season????
Better question, is if there's something they can shoot into his foot to mask the pain for about three hours or so.
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i'm a schaub homer and completely agree ... and i dont see anything wrong with that. we are a very strict, very system based team. and schaub fits that system very well. sure i'd like someone like eli or ben who can turn turds into touchdowns or brady and manning who can carry entire franchises, but schaub is good at playing kubiak's game while better quarterbacks wouldnt be. dude was on a run of 16-1 from 2011 through 2012 ... you have to be pretty good to do that regardless of what else is going on.

the rub for me is that schaub and kubiak both fall apart when pushed out of their comfort zone. i HATE our empty backfield sets and we probably have the ugliest draws/delays in football. we struggle to move the ball in ways that require us to spread out. we do however run arguably the best base offense in football with schaub. our time of possession is ridiculous and schaub is money in those areas.

the reason i and i think many here are rooting so hard for case is that he fills those deficiencies. he can run a spread offense, he can make something from nothing, and he gives a dimension that can worry defenses when we're not in our comfort zone ... all while still being able to handle our strengths in our base packages.
Schaub led the league in passing when we opened the offense in 2009. More or less incorporating "the Spread"

Schaub's problem, & I know some don't want to hear it, is that he is not a leader. The reason he doesn't put the team on his shoulder & will them to a victory, is that he's along for the ride, just like they are. Waiting for instruction from someone else about how they should feel, or react.

It was a small thing, but I saw Tj look at one of our receivers, tapped his chest & you could read his lips, "My fault, that was on me." You saw him run into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game. Case did the same thing, he ran from the 50 yard line into the endzone to celebrate a meaningless TD in a meaningless game.

Schaub gives us a conservative fist pump when we get into field goal range in a play-off game......... yeah.

I know that's all subjective & doesn't mean a lot. But think about this. Keyshawn Martin started the season pretty hot. A few dropped balls & he could barely get on the field. LeStar Jean came in for a few games, caught a ball or two.... failed to catch a few... then his appearances started to dwindle. Devier comes in, makes some nice catches, some nice plays.... then his Achilles prevented us from seeing how far that could have gone.

We just finished preseason game #3 & it appears Schaub has already forgotten anyone not named Andre Johnson. Granted, if Andre is open, you're going to throw the ball to Andre
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sorry TK but i disagree with everything there. when schaub does or doesnt celebrate or get angry is absolutely meaningless and says nothing about his leadership. guys telling their first "nfl experience" is a phone call from matt, or describing offseason workouts with schaub, or getting ticked at reporters who say something negative ... that's leadership. that's a guy who's got the support of the players around him. his calm demeanor is a great asset as far as i'm concerned, quarterback isnt a position you want mood swings.

as for the receivers. if you're talking about last year, martin looked like crap as soon as the games started - he was a training camp hero. jean couldnt get separation and misses the easy ones. and posey was starting to show up as the season went along, the lone bright spot. what that has to do with schaub is beyond me though ... our wide receivers were pretty bad. their poor play is why we were so tightend heavy last year and why we wore down at the end of the season. it's a sad state when your trips bunch formation is daniels, graham, and casey. hopkins and hopefully posey can change that.
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Schaubs problem is that he plays tentative. Can't do that especially under pressure you just get tighter & tighter. He needs to stop guiding his passes to receivers for one it's not an athletic move, two its longer developing & telegraphs his targets & three there's not enough zip on the ball all three add up to bad news. He needs to come out throwing a natural spiral, use his lower body more & zip it into tight windows, just let it rip
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