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Old 08-26-2013   #21
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I'll be more concerned if in the regular season it becomes a problem.

I'm more worried about Keo being on the field at any point in the game. A cardboard cut out of JJo makes me feel better than Keo in the backfield. I watched him during the game yesterday, and he takes terrible angles on the ball, never seems to be in the right place, and doesn't seem to be able to tackle well. He almost ended Mays' season yesterday.

I would be happy if we cut him and bring someone else in. We don't need Keo as the #2
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So that was Keo that caused a TD by nearly taking his teammate's knees off.
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So that was Keo that caused a TD by nearly taking his teammate's knees off.
No that was Mays missing yet another bad tackle, followed up with Keo missing the tackle and then taking out Mays in the process.
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who would have thought kareem jackson would become our best player in the secondary?
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Default Re: Will the real Jonathan Joseph please stand up

I know JJo gave up an ugly TD, but KJ took a few lumps too. However, there were a couple few plays where Brees just did what he does and dropped it in the basket with good coverage.

That TD was ugly though. Pre-season or not, he can't feel too good about that one
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No that was Mays missing yet another bad tackle, followed up with Keo missing the tackle and then taking out Mays in the process.
Once you start Ed Reed there instead of Keo that td doesn't happen. Ok Mays missed a tackle it happens but imo it's worse to miss a tackle right after your teammate who just missed a tackle all on the same play. Keo is definitely not starters material.
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Let's just face it guys..

We are a pressure blitzing defense, if you don't get to the QB they are going to hit big, that's our game. Hit the qb, hit him again, and again and again.. No JJ Watt tonight, Earl went out early, and we stopped hitting Brees after the 1 quarter.

That is why we have tougher times against the great QB's they get the ball out fast, and in good positions to make it very difficult for our CBs.
If it was just Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Manning that burn us it's one thing. Luke McCown to Kenny Stills is not as comforting.
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Kenny Stills and Lance Moore had their way with KJax.

The entire secondary was a disappointment.
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Kenny Stills and Lance Moore had their way with KJax.

The entire secondary was a disappointment.
Hmmm, No.
They won some, but it wasn't like the plays were uncontested.

JJo is the one that has been underwhelmed this pre-season.

Also, I think some people like to turn Keo into a goat while Swearinger got off the book a bit too easy when he's the one who's been missing more tackles.

There are enough poor plays to spread around.
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Hmmm, No.
They won some, but it wasn't like the plays were uncontested.

JJo is the one that has been underwhelmed this pre-season.

Also, I think some people like to turn Keo into a goat while Swearinger got off the book a bit too easy when he's the one who's been missing more tackles.

There are enough poor plays to spread around.
Didn't say they weren't uncontested. He was there, right in their hip pocket, actually, but at the end of the play they caught the ball for a 1st down or a TD. Out of the players in our secondary I think KJax is our bright spot but that doesn't mean what I said wasn't true.
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Hmmm, No.
They won some, but it wasn't like the plays were uncontested.

JJo is the one that has been underwhelmed this pre-season.

Also, I think some people like to turn Keo into a goat while Swearinger got off the book a bit too easy when he's the one who's been missing more tackles.

There are enough poor plays to spread around.
True. Swearinger looked to be getting beat a lot too. It's easier to accept knowing he is a rookie. Keo has never shown potential or given us a light of hope regarding being a good safety in the nfl.
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True. Swearinger looked to be getting beat a lot too. It's easier to accept knowing he is a rookie. Keo has never shown potential or given us a light of hope regarding being a good safety in the nfl.
I don't see anybody saying that Keo can be a good starter.
That's why the Texans brought in Reed and drafted Swearinger.
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Didn't say they weren't uncontested. He was there, right in their hip pocket, actually, but at the end of the play they caught the ball for a 1st down or a TD. Out of the players in our secondary I think KJax is our bright spot but that doesn't mean what I said wasn't true.
No TD, just first down!
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If it was any player other than Joseph in our secondary, he would be getting obliterated on these boards right now. Preseason or not. Just saying.
Joseph has shown what he can do. Now he is healthy again, I don`t worry too much. I don`t know if he can be a top 3 corner in the league again, but he should be fine. I am not too worries about lackluster play in preseason.

I am concerned about our O-Line and I am concerned about our LB play and our secondary depth - not so much about Joseph.
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Playing in the secondary for Phillips has got to take 10 years off of your life with all that man coverage, out-on-an-island stress. I'd like to see us disguise more zone packages into our scheme instead of "just line 'em up" and play straight up man as much as we do.

Swearinger has looked awful at times...but he's no Keo. At least Swearinger seems to have a full tool box.
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No TD, just first down!
Didn't Kenny Stills catch a TD pass on KJax? Or was that Harris?
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Rookies are supposed to be awful.

Regarding JJo, he's either overconfident, or over the hill, one of the two. Either way, that dreaded H-word (hopefully) is being used way too much lately. And that applies to more than the secondary.
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Once you start Ed Reed there instead of Keo that td doesn't happen. Ok Mays missed a tackle it happens but imo it's worse to miss a tackle right after your teammate who just missed a tackle all on the same play. Keo is definitely not starters material.
Uh.... maybe 5 years ago. Ed Reed isn't that last line of defense safety he once was. I think he'll do a fine job patrolling the air, but once it comes down to Ed Reed as the only player between an opponent & the end zone, let's hope Ed Reed can cause the guy to stutter step or something & let the rest of the defense catch up.

& that just happens to be one of the things I've been disappointed about this preseason. I thought we had good speed on defense where those little dump offs & screens wouldn't hurt us the way we saw yesterday.

Hopefully they're playing with a gear in reserve because it is the preseason. But, it's not looking good.
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Didn't Kenny Stills catch a TD pass on KJax? Or was that Harris?
Nope, the first one was the Mays/Keo missed tackles.
The second was Stills on JJo.
The third one was McCain playing too far off Tanner.
He and Swearinger looked to have stopped the receiver's momentum, but a DT #98 came back and actually shoved Tanner into the end zone.
The last one was Tanner on Bouye and over the outstretched arm of Swearinger.
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Nope, the first one was the Mays/Keo missed tackles.
The second was Stills on JJo.
The third one was McCain playing too far off Tanner.
He and Swearinger looked to have stopped the receiver's momentum, but a DT #98 came back and actually shoved Tanner into the end zone.
The last one was Tanner on Bouye and over the outstretched arm of Swearinger.
Ahhhh...I see.

Thanks for the correction.
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