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Old 08-22-2013   #21
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I guess the question is which two do we keep. Yeah, I see one as part of the 53 and one on the P/S.

Even with his disappointing game time performance - when running - D.J. seems to be better at recognizing and picking up blitzes in pass protect. C. Wood seems to have the better vision and one-cut ability. Although Karim isn't but a hair behind him. And, as A80 said, Graham hasn't had sufficient game time carries to make a fair assessment; he must not be doing enough in practice to earn said game time carries. Need help from those who are at practice for some insight.

So which two??
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Wood has impressed me a lot more than any of the other backs we have seen so far in the preseason.
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As bad as the Steelers are banged up at RB, I could see our guys not clearing waivers for PS.
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I have been the most impressed with Wood and Karim. My feeling is that Karim will be our #3 due to his play and his experience.

I would love for the Texans to make Wood #3 or #4, but my feeling on this is that he and the rest of them will be waived. My guess right now is that it will be Foster/Tate/Karim on the roster.

Somebody will grab Wood from the waiver wire. Not sure who, but I definitely see this happening. It has happened before.
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As bad as the Steelers are banged up at RB, I could see our guys not clearing waivers for PS.
Steelers just acquired Felix Jones, but I expect we will lose an RB off the PS and I expect Kubiak/Smith will get on the telephones trying to find places for these RBs who came to camp but are not in our plans. Talented group.
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I have been the most impressed with Wood and Karim. My feeling is that Karim will be our #3 due to his play and his experience.

I would love for the Texans to make Wood #3 or #4, but my feeling on this is that he and the rest of them will be waived. My guess right now is that it will be Foster/Tate/Karim on the roster.

Somebody will grab Wood from the waiver wire. Not sure who, but I definitely see this happening. It has happened before.
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Yeah. I don't think that Kubiak likes Wood as much as the rest of us do. I'm not sure why that is. It might be that he doesn't practice very well and to get a chance with Kubiak, you've got to be a professional who gets his business done on the practice field.

Judging from when different guys have been seeing the field, I think the depth chart as of the LAST preseason game was:

1. Foster
2. Tate
3. Karim
4. Dennis Johnson
5. Cierre Wood
6. Ray Graham.

From what I've been seeing, it really looks like they prefer Dennis Johnson and I suspect he's actually been the one that's been the best on the practice field.

Unless something strange happens, I expect Foster/Tate/Karim to start the season as our RBs and I expect them to try to slip DJ and/or Wood to the PS. I think Graham is out which is sad because I think he's a pretty talented guy who just hasn't gotten enough touches.
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I don't think Dennis Johnson has looked that speedy on the field. I also don't think he has gotten many rushing yards.

I also don't think Ben Tate has looked that good in preseason.

I would rather see Wood and Karim as the ones that make the team
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I remember when we got Arian & Jeremiah Johnson in training camp.

This feels very similar.
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Karim is probably best in pass pro and as a vet he has experience. He's probably the most dependable of the bunch and was a viable fantasy football commodity just a year back with mjd's issues.

We all know how much Gary values the ability to pass protect from the RB spot .... a big part of why Foster didnt get an opportunity before injuries forced it.

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Ive seen a couple instances where DJ put the ball on the turf in practice .... Im not sold on him having the best / most reliable hands of the bunch.

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I think c wood has the highest ceiling of the bunch and have been most impressed with him.

Wood reminds me an awful lot of Foster in this scheme .... I agree he has the highest upside of the group. He only got 5 carries Vs the Fish .... It'll be interesting to see how much run he gets in the next two dress rehersals - I have a feeling he doesn't get many touches and they try to hide him on the PS for a year. He looked really good against the Vikes very solid front seven.


I prefer Wood myself because of the upside but I think it comes down to pass protect ability and Karim wins the initial roster spot out of camp.

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I don't think Dennis Johnson has looked that speedy on the field. I also don't think he has gotten many rushing yards.

I also don't think Ben Tate has looked that good in preseason.

I would rather see Wood and Karim as the ones that make the team

I wouldn't complain if they moved Tate for a pick now and kept both Karim & Wood.

Then again , Tates value isn't at its peak ....
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Yeah. I don't think that Kubiak likes Wood as much as the rest of us do. I'm not sure why that is. It might be that he doesn't practice very well and to get a chance with Kubiak, you've got to be a professional who gets his business done on the practice field.

Judging from when different guys have been seeing the field, I think the depth chart as of the LAST preseason game was:

1. Foster
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5. Cierre Wood
6. Ray Graham.

From what I've been seeing, it really looks like they prefer Dennis Johnson and I suspect he's actually been the one that's been the best on the practice field.

Unless something strange happens, I expect Foster/Tate/Karim to start the season as our RBs and I expect them to try to slip DJ and/or Wood to the PS. I think Graham is out which is sad because I think he's a pretty talented guy who just hasn't gotten enough touches.
From the horse's mouth: Pass pro & not "helping Joe".

I do agree somewhat that there's a chance he could get snagged and not make it through waivers but in the same breath I don't know what other teams have to offer at the RB position that other teams may covet more.
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I remember when we got Arian & Jeremiah Johnson in training camp.

This feels very similar.
I was just thinking the same thing. He's buried on the Broncos' depth chart. I thought he'd be better than that. Turns out J.J. must have been a "system RB".
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I was just thinking the same thing. He's buried on the Broncos' depth chart. I thought he'd be better than that. Turns out J.J. must have been a "system RB".
Most likely never got his head straight. Imagine if Arian never dedicated himself to the game.
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I am predicting Foster, Tate, Karim on the 53 man. Greg Jones can run the ball some in "break glass in case of emergency" situation.

woods and Johnson have had moments, but not enough. guessing either or both will be on the PS.

Tate is not even being considered to be traded. He is the only back who has had success as an every down player. if you have aspirations of a Superbowl can't run out a career journeyman and a couple of UDFAs.
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I am predicting Foster, Tate, Karim on the 53 man. Greg Jones can run the ball some in "break glass in case of emergency" situation.

woods and Johnson have had moments, but not enough. guessing either or both will be on the PS.

Tate is not even being considered to be traded. He is the only back who has had success as an every down player. if you have aspirations of a Superbowl can't run out a career journeyman and a couple of UDFAs.
Same mind set as in the other thread.

There have been teams that won the SB with lesser known or unknown RBs at backup.

I'm just going to bring up the Broncos as one example.
In 97, Terrell Davis was a former sixth round draft choice.
His backup Hebron, was an UDFA.

So what did the Broncos do the following year?
They brought in another UDFA, Loville, to add to the mix.
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Last night during the Hawks/Packers game Simms made a comment that made me smile. Stated that in a couple weeks there will be some talent available from the good, deep teams that will have to cut players because they just cant keep everyone.

Weird but it feels good that we are even talking about losing players
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Same mind set as in the other thread.

There have been teams that won the SB with lesser known or unknown RBs at backup.

I'm just going to bring up the Broncos as one example.
In 97, Terrell Davis was a former sixth round draft choice.
His backup Hebron, was an UDFA.

So what did the Broncos do the following year?
They brought in another UDFA, Loville, to add to the mix.
You guys crack up with the exception to the rules posting. I am not even going to bother showing the other 16 years since then that again show teams would rather go with experience than journeymen and unproven guys. My post is based on consistent facts of how teams operate, not going find the once in a blue moon that opposite worked out.
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If pass protection is a major criteria, Ben Tate should be 3rd on the depth chart. He has been paper to non-existent to as a blocker.

Either way Karim will be the #3 IMO. I think we will PS Wood.

We have a good problem though in that we are pretty deep at this spot
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You guys crack up with the exception to the rules posting. I am not even going to bother showing the other 16 years since then that again show teams would rather go with experience than journeymen and unproven guys. My post is based on consistent facts of how teams operate, not going find the once in a blue moon that opposite worked out.
It's not an exception that the NFL teams averaged 3 former UDFAs as starters last year.

We're talking about backups, which consist of plenty journeymen and UDFAs.
Just go through the roster of each team and see for yourself how many journeymen and UDFAs at backup RB last year.

You haven't looked up any real numbers in this regard, but I have.

If anything, you crack me up.
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It's not an exception that the NFL teams averaged 3 former UDFAs as starters last year.

We're talking about backups, which consist of plenty journeymen and UDFAs.
Just go through the roster of each team and see for yourself how many journeymen and UDFAs at backup RB last year.

You haven't looked up any real numbers in this regard, but I have.

If anything, you crack me up.
How many of those are QB,WR, RB other than Romo a@nd Marian?
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