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Old 08-24-2013   #561
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I don't understand this mindset.
Yates had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Schaub and Leinart.

Brady had not proven anything when he was called on to replace Bledsoe in 2001 en route to a SB.
He was a sixth round draft pick that was 1 of 3 for 6 yards in 2000 as a rookie.

And there are plenty of other examples.
My mindset is one of betting on the 95% percent plus of other 6th round and later QBs since that time who never taken a meaningful NFL snap. Brady is grand exception...and Romo is the next best. Outside of that most of these guys suck (lack of better phrase). we had trouble getting five decent QBs since 1995 or so earlier in this thread.

On Harrell, here is an article where his coach pretty much said he is not good.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...219716531.html

See I am building a case with the FACTS of the matter, both generally about late round/UDFA QBs and specifically with Harrell (and his 4 career pass attempts).
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My beef with Yates performance was that it simply wasn't very good.
Honestly, so many folks on here have selective memory about 2011.

He was average to serviceable during the regular season, and horrific
against Indy and the playoffs against Baltimore. I don't get the
logic of pinning the first Bengals playoff win on him when JJ made the
play that broke the game open.

The 2011 Texans could run the ball really well and played much
better defense than the Texans teams of 2012 and today.

Saying that Yates "has to be" the defacto #2 because of his playoff
experience, etc. is senseless to me when he was so average against
Cincy and so aweful against Baltimore.

People can remember the end of 2011 however they want, but the
bitter taste in my mouth from the way that season ended is still
there - in part - because of Yates..

And, please, don't give me this B.S. about being called into service
without a full playbook. "yadda yadda". Yates played in a system
very similar to Gary's at N.C. (for multiple years), and if it was
such a complicated system to learn Keenum would not have been
able to pick it up in one season holding a clipboard. (given his
collegiate experience was in a system 180 degrees out of phase)

Either Gary's approach isn't rocket science, or Keenum is some
type of "playbook savant"

After all, from where I sit, there is almost no distinguishable difference
between Yates and Keenum, and Yates has been doing this a much
longer time.

TJ
I agree with your logic about how the 2011 season ended. Many fans chose to take out their anger on Jacoby Jones (yes he screwed up, but it happened early in the 1st quarter) moreso than all of the INTs that Yates threw in that game. The Texans D had stopped the Ravens late in the game, giving Yates and the O an opportunity to tie it up. I think you remember the result.
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My beef with Yates performance was that it simply wasn't very good.
Honestly, so many folks on here have selective memory about 2011.

He was average to serviceable during the regular season, and horrific
against Indy and the playoffs against Baltimore. I don't get the
logic of pinning the first Bengals playoff win on him when JJ made the
play that broke the game open.

The 2011 Texans could run the ball really well and played much
better defense than the Texans teams of 2012 and today.

Saying that Yates "has to be" the defacto #2 because of his playoff
experience, etc. is senseless to me when he was so average against
Cincy and so aweful against Baltimore.

People can remember the end of 2011 however they want, but the
bitter taste in my mouth from the way that season ended is still
there - in part - because of Yates..

After all, from where I sit, there is almost no distinguishable difference
between Yates and Keenum, and Yates has been doing this a much
longer time.

TJ
Your memory is selective. He was not bad against Indy. He was actually decent in that game.

As far as Baltimore, I find it funny how everyone talks about that Casey drop but no one remembers Andre dropping a beautiful pass from Yates early in the game that screwed up our flow.

Yates was a 5th round rookie at the time, likely not getting very many reps with our offense until he was called upon. Yates had some really good moments and he had some really rough ones. But you seem to have lost sight of the fact he was a 5th round rookie suddenly called upon.
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Default Re: Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB

I was furious with Jacoby in the first half, but when he advanced the
Foster fumble he nullified that screw up (in my opinion)

In my opinion, if Keenum outplays Yates in the preseason -- specially
with Gary swapping them both in and out with the 2's and 3's then
he should get the job.

Nothing that Yates did in 2011 (or preseason 2012) has impressed
me so much that he gets "special consideration".

I'm not the "what have you done for me lately" kind of guy, but the
only thing I've seen is Yates is a .500 QB. And that's not good enough
for me.

In fact, I thought that Beck looked better in preseason last year than
Yates or Keenum.

People say that Keenum has pushed Yates to be "better". Well, if
he needs a guy behind him to get a full 100% effort then he doesn't
have the kind of killer instinct I want in a QB (a la Brady, Montana, etc.)

I say if Case beats him in preseason, the guy has earned the right to
move up the ladder.

Going from #4/practice squad to neck and neck for #2 in one off-season
has told me something about the kids desire to compete and win.

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I agree with your logic about how the 2011 season ended. Many fans chose to take out their anger on Jacoby Jones (yes he screwed up, but it happened early in the 1st quarter) moreso than all of the INTs that Yates threw in that game. The Texans D had stopped the Ravens late in the game, giving Yates and the O an opportunity to tie it up. I think you remember the result.
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My mindset is one of betting on the 95% percent plus of other 6th round and later QBs since that time who never taken a meaningful NFL snap. Brady is grand exception...and Romo is the next best. Outside of that most of these guys suck (lack of better phrase). we had trouble getting five decent QBs since 1995 or so earlier in this thread.

On Harrell, here is an article where his coach pretty much said he is not good.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...219716531.html

See I am building a case with the FACTS of the matter, both generally about late round/UDFA QBs and specifically with Harrell (and his 4 career pass attempts).

Honestly none of that matters. Yeah, the odds are against it, but odds are beaten all the time in the NFL.

Everybody's situation is different. Kubiak is good with qb's, so a guy may be more likely to so well here vs other places.

Gotta judge them as they come. You never know.
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Yates was crap in that game. Foster ran for 158 yards, and we
still lost to a 1-14 team.

That team was QB'd by Dan Orlovsky, who threw for more yards and
had a TD pass as well. (ORLOVSKY FOR CHRIST SAKES!) Yates
also put the ball on the ground.

Dreesen, Foster and Daniels accounted for 7 of Yates 13 completions,
and he only had 16 attempts versus Orlovsky's 44 attempts..

My recollection was Yates throwing checkdowns short
of the marker on 3rd _repeatedly_

It looked very obvious, at the time, that Gary had no faith in letting
him go down the field with the ball.

Yes, Yates was a 5th round rookie then, but is a 3rd year player who
looks no better today than a UDFA with one year of PS time.
-- so that point is moot..

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Your memory is selective. He was not bad against Indy. He was actually decent in that game.

As far as Baltimore, I find it funny how everyone talks about that Casey drop but no one remembers Andre dropping a beautiful pass from Yates early in the game that screwed up our flow.

Yates was a 5th round rookie at the time, likely not getting very many reps with our offense until he was called upon. Yates had some really good moments and he had some really rough ones. But you seem to have lost sight of the fact he was a 5th round rookie suddenly called upon.
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Honestly none of that matters. Yeah, the odds are against it, but odds are beaten all the time in the NFL.
If the odds were beaten all the time, then they would cease to be odds.

Odds: The ratio of the probability of an event's occurring to the probability of its not occurring.
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Honestly none of that matters. Yeah, the odds are against it, but odds are beaten all the time in the NFL.

Everybody's situation is different. Kubiak is good with qb's, so a guy may be more likely to so well here vs other places.

Gotta judge them as they come. You never know.
Of course, every situation is different, just like every table in cards is different that does not mean that a general bad hand is not a general bad hand. In terms of long-term NFL success, an UDFA like Keenum is basically a losing hand.

Case has played two really nice pre-season games, but he still not played against 1st unit NFL defense, made a 53 man roster nor beat out Yates. too many posters (I don't think you are) are going all-in on him before even seeing more cards.
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I was furious with Jacoby in the first half, but when he advanced the
Foster fumble he nullified that screw up (in my opinion)

In my opinion, if Keenum outplays Yates in the preseason -- specially
with Gary swapping them both in and out with the 2's and 3's then
he should get the job.

Nothing that Yates did in 2011 (or preseason 2012)
has impressed
me so much that he gets "special consideration".


TJ
Lest you forget the performance Yates demonstrated in the 3 "garbage time" games last year during the regular season.

40 % pass completion rate (4/10)
1 sack
1 fumble
1 INT
0 TDs
..........for a whopping 11.7 QB rating.
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Lest you forget the performance Yates demonstrated in the 3 "garbage time" games last year during the regular season.

40 % pass completion rate (4/10)
1 sack
1 fumble
1 INT
0 TDs
..........for a whopping 11.7 QB rating.
I don't care what a QB does in pre season its not going to impress me. The team doesn't gameplan, or run anything other than vanilla defense was you really have no idea what you have in a player.
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Very valid point. The way I saw that, at the time, was that
Yates was either "coasting on reputation", or the team wasn't
as good at covering up his mistakes as it was in 2011
(when the defense was better, and the o-line was better)

By the way, off-topic but -- is it just me, or do many posters on
here notice that some folks don't actually bother to read threads
carefully?

I see many times when someone rants about something said
previously, and the person has completely misread what
the previous poster wrote..

A headscratcher..
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Lest you forget the performance Yates demonstrated in the 3 "garbage time" games last year during the regular season.

40 % pass completion rate (4/10)
1 sack
1 fumble
1 INT
0 TDs
..........for a whopping 11.7 QB rating.
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I'm pretty sure the Raiders would take either one of our backup QBs right about now. Their current situation is in bad shape.
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Yates reminds me a lot of Matt Cassel when he played on the Pats.
Yes his team went 11-5. Cassell had a much better team surrounding him and he looked good enough that he got traded.

Yates has not done much to impress. Keenum has been a #2. Let's not forget that Yates was a #3 and got moved up to play in 2011 because of 2 injuries. I feel like he still is a #3.

I dunno if Case will ever be a starting QB in this league. I think under Kubes you are going to get the most out of him you possibly can.
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I'm pretty sure the Raiders would take either one of our backup QBs right about now. Their current situation is in bad shape.
In a heart beat! Heck, the Raiders would probably be willing to take any of our "castoffs" at any position. They don't have even one player on the ESPN top 100 list of offensive players, and only have one (Charles Woodson) on the top 100 list of defensive players............1 in 200........
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The #2 QB in GB is being released...

Oopsie..Looks like I might have been wrong.
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My mindset is one of betting on the 95% percent plus of other 6th round and later QBs since that time who never taken a meaningful NFL snap. Brady is grand exception...and Romo is the next best. Outside of that most of these guys suck (lack of better phrase). we had trouble getting five decent QBs since 1995 or so earlier in this thread.

On Harrell, here is an article where his coach pretty much said he is not good.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...219716531.html

See I am building a case with the FACTS of the matter, both generally about late round/UDFA QBs and specifically with Harrell (and his 4 career pass attempts).
I'm not betting on the whole truckload of them; I only bet on guys, in this case - Keenum, which I have seen thoroughly.

I only mention other guys (and there have been quite a few, but not many) to prompt the point that you can't simply discount a guy because he was unproven.
I never quantify how much of a percentage such a guy has.

P.S. My posts had nothing to do with Harrell; I hardly ever saw him play in college.
I know nothing about him.
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Case has played two really nice pre-season games, but he still not played against 1st unit NFL defense, made a 53 man roster nor beat out Yates. too many posters (I don't think you are) are going all-in on him before even seeing more cards.
No backup QB plays against 1st team defenses. If that's the criteria, no backup would ever get promoted. And what's your idea of going all in? I just see a bunch of people wanting Keenum to be the backup. That's nothing close to all in.
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No backup QB plays against 1st team defenses. If that's the criteria, no backup would ever get promoted. And what's your idea of going all in? I just see a bunch of people wanting Keenum to be the backup. That's nothing close to all in.
actually, the Packers did just that intentionally last night with Harrell. that is not the norm, but Rodgers was pulled against the Seahawks after a series and Harrell came in for the rest of the 1st half.

One of the battles the Case is facing with yates is exact that...Kubiak saw Yates not fall totally apart again real NFL defenses. The offense went conservative and Yates was pretty meh from a big picture NFL QBing perspective, but given the situation Yates did better than expected.


May or may not be totally fair, keenum has to legitimately outplay Yates based the "experience" of yates against real competition. Thought this was pretty obvious.
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That makes 0 sense.

Every player in the NFL has beaten the odds.
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Default Re: Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB

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Originally Posted by ArlingtonTexan View Post
Of course, every situation is different, just like every table in cards is different that does not mean that a general bad hand is not a general bad hand. In terms of long-term NFL success, an UDFA like Keenum is basically a losing hand.

Case has played two really nice pre-season games, but he still not played against 1st unit NFL defense, made a 53 man roster nor beat out Yates. too many posters (I don't think you are) are going all-in on him before even seeing more cards.
That has 0 to do with analyzing a guy on an individual basis.

You cannot compare a human being to a hand of cards. That was not a good analogy.
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