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Old 08-21-2013   #561
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You clearly have never looked into the MCD case. If you would and stop just reading headlines and reacting emotionally you would see MCD had liability in the case.



Interesting you bring up the possible not guilty, seems to me that you have already removed all of his rights instead of letting the trial take place. Even after conviction you dont lose all of your rights. Take your death row heart transplant, if he got his transplant and the day of his execution he received a stay what then? What if they then tossed his conviction? Oh but before anyone is convicted they lose their rights, right? And you arent emotional about it ?
What if they would of over turned the death penalty ? Ok good for him he can live until his heart gives out. Give the good heart to someone who didnt decide to live their life behind bars after killing 6 people. Ohhhhh but thats in humane right ? Haha.

You are refering all to government laws, these are not the laws of humanity. I have lived on the other side, behind bars with these animals so i have seen what its really like.

Wont argue with u about this anymore. Just think they should hold any bonus until the verdict. And if he is guilty he shouldnt get squat.
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What if they would of over turned the death penalty ? Ok good for him he can live until his heart gives out. Give the good heart to someone who didnt decide to live their life behind bars after killing 6 people. Ohhhhh but thats in humane right ? Haha.

You are refering all to government laws, these are not the laws of humanity. I have lived on the other side, behind bars with these animals so i have seen what its really like.

Wont argue with u about this anymore. Just think they should hold any bonus until the verdict. And if he is guilty he shouldnt get squat.



You wont argue anymore because you cant stay in reality. His contract appears to state if he conducted workouts he gets 80k. If that is true he should be paid even though you feel some outside force should change that
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I'm certainly not defending Hernandez. I think he's guilty based on what's been leaked, but he has not been proven to be so in the court of law. Until then, it is the duty of NFLPA to treat him as another member and file the grievance as they've done. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

If I'm the Patriots, I make him come and get the money. I'm not writing another check voluntarily.
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Aaron Hernandez to Appear in Court; Indictment Expected

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Former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is expected to be formally indicted for the murder of his friend, who was executed less than a mile from the NFL's star's North Attleborough home, ABC News has learned.

Hernandez is scheduled to appear in court for a probable cause hearing this afternoon. But instead of detailing what prosecutors contend is the overwhelming evidence investigators have collected against Hernandez, Bristol County prosecutors will instead officially arraign the former football player. He'll be charged with the murder of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, who was allegedly shot five times execution-style on June 17, several law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Prosecutors pushed to get an indictment before today's hearing, sources said. That is significant because without an indictment Hernandez's lawyers would have likely argued for his release...
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Prosecutors pushed to get an indictment before today's hearing, sources said. That is significant because without an indictment Hernandez's lawyers would have likely argued for his release...
And then his attorneys have his fiance, a Justice of the Peace and a bag of rice waiting right outside the jail house door.........
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Gee, I wonder which one is cooperating... ?

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Currently NO indictment issued for Carlos Ortiz, the third man being held in custody in relation to Odin Lloyd's murder. #hernandez

Ernest Wallace has also been indicted by a grand jury on a accessory to 1st degree murder (after the fact) charge in the Odin Lloyd killing.

BREAKING NEWS: A grand jury has indicted former Patriots star Aaron #Hernandez on a murder charge related to the slaying of Odin Lloyd.
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Wonder when the search warrant for looking inside the "lock box" in the double murder is going to be fulfilled?
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Wonder when the search warrant for looking inside the "lock box" in the double murder is going to be fulfilled?
You'd think that would have been issued & executed by now, which would mean no murder weapon for Lloyd killing.

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Nothing to speak of...

Hernandez mouthed "I love you" to someone in the gallery ask he was brought in.

Defense team raised three issues that were SOP. You can tell Ahern's lawyers know their stuff.

Friday week setting for formal arraignment.

Biggest news in the court was his Honor's eyebrows, which were the thickest & bushiest I've ever seen. I could cover my bald head with a rug woven solely from this Judge's brows.



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Officials confirm Hernandez's cousin, Tanya Singleton, also indicted today for contempt after she refused to testify before grand jury.
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Makes me really wonder what kind of research and though process went on by Bellichick and the Patriots' scouting department for them to have gone for this "Good Dude"?


Report: Aaron Hernandez was heavy drug user and paranoid

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August 27, 2013 11:03 pm ET

Since being arrested in June, Aaron Hernandez has written several jailhouse letters and in one of those letters he insisted that he's a 'great dude.' If you have a hard time believing Hernandez is a 'great dude' you're going to have an even harder time after reading new evidence uncovered by Rolling Stone.

In what could turn out to be a bombshell article, the magazine will be publishing a cover story on Hernandez in its October issue. The magazine released a small preview of the story on Tuesday, a preview that will probably make you want to read the entire article.

Here are five revelations from the preview:

•Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust (PCP), and had become so paranoid over the last year that he carried a gun wherever he went.


•He surrounded himself with a cohort of gangsters, and cut himself off from his family and teammates.


•Hernandez had so infuriated his head coach, Bill Belichick, with missed practices and thug-life stunts, that he was one misstep from being cut.


•Both his parents, Dennis and Terri, had criminal records, as did much of his extended family.


•Terri allegedly cheated on Dennis before his death with a violent drug dealer named Jeffrey Cummings, then married Cummings after Dennis died and moved him into the house she shared with Aaron.


Although Rolling Stone only promised five revelations, they delivered on a sixth one and the sixth one might be the most damning.

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In college [Hernandez's] coach [then-University of Florida head coach Urban Meyer] may have helped cover up failed drug tests, along with two violent incidents -- an assault and a drive-by shootout outside a local bar.
Unlike the first five revelations though, the magazine doesn't seem as sure about the Meyer revelation, using the word 'MAY have helped' isn't exactly an indictment on Meyer, so it will be definitely be interesting to see what exactly the magazine found to make the connection that Meyer covered-up anything for Hernandez.

Rolling Stone hasn't announced a release date for the Hernandez issue, but it will be on newsstands sometime in September.
I can hardly imagine what MORE will be detailed in the upcoming Rolling Stone piece.
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PCP paranoia + gun = explanation for everything that Hernandez has been accused of since college.
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Another interesting part of this will be to see if the Patriots reconsider and pay his 82K workout bonus (that he earned). The NFLPA is digging in.
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What I gather is that the NFL will catch you if you take adderall but if you take PCP you won't get caught? Interesting...
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What I gather is that the NFL will catch you if you take adderall but if you take PCP you won't get caught? Interesting...
When I first read this, the first thing that came to mind was how was this missed on ANY NFL drug testing. PCP is included in the most basic of urine drug screens. Even though some sources cite up to 7 days detection for a single use and up to 30 days for a chronic user, the real numbers are in fact quite different. PCP can be detected for 2-3 months after just one use, and up to 6 months after chronic use. This is a drug that is essentially impossible to mask, with the only option left open to the subject is to substitute his urine.
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If carrying a gun with you everywhere is a sign of paranoia, then 1/2 the people I know are in need of a psychiatrist.
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What is PCP?

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PCP, or phencyclidine, is a “dissociative” anesthetic that was developed in the 1950s as a surgical anesthetic. Its sedative and anesthetic effects are trance-like, and patients experience a feeling of being “out of body” and detached from their environment. Use of PCP in humans was discontinued in 1965, because it was found that patients often became agitated, delusional, and irrational while recovering from its anesthetic effects.

...High doses can also cause effects similar to symptoms of schizophrenia, such as delusions, paranoia, disordered thinking, a sensation of distance from one’s environment, and catatonia. Speech is often sparse and garbled.
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If carrying a gun with you everywhere is a sign of paranoia, then 1/2 the people I know are in need of a psychiatrist.
Have you ever had the opportunity to deal with a person on PCP?
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Unlike even a drug like LSD or cocaine or marijuana, PCP has never had a medical use or any legal use.
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If carrying a gun with you everywhere is a sign of paranoia, then 1/2 the people I know are in need of a psychiatrist.
You've got the cart before the horse -- the paranoia creates the perceived need to carry a gun. Irrational/delusional thinking + lethal weapon = danger to those around them.

And we're up to at least 4 firearms incidents associated with Hernandez from 17 to 23... that we know of.


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It says it was used as an anesthetic until 1965, no?
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Have you ever had the opportunity to deal with a person on PCP?
Not sure what that had to do with my comment, but yes, including myself.
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