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Old 08-21-2013   #801
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Kubiak stated that he doesn't feel it's necessary for Foster to get snaps before San Diego. #texans

Kubiak said after talking with Antonio Smith that Smith feels like he really let the team down. #texans

Kubiak said that Foster did well in first practice off PUP list #texans

Kubiak says Mercilus is very close to coming back. #texans

Arain Foster off Pup according to Kubiak. Practiced today. Most likely wont play Sunday. #texans
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#Texans GM Rick Smith expressed disappointment in Antonio Smith's actions, but said the team will support and participate in the appeal.

Kubiak says Whitney Mercilus is closer to getting back on the field. Tim Dobbins is back on the field today. #Texans

Kubiak says he is disappointed in himself re Antonio Smith because it's his job to make sure their players keep their composure. #Texans

"The key is we have a couple good weeks of practice" Kubiak said on foster. Doesn't think he'll play Foster Sunday. #Texans

Arian Foster practiced Wednesday and will be taken off the physically unable to perform list. #Texans
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Rick Smith says the team is disappointed about Antonio Smith's suspension.

Kubiak said team still pushing to have Wade Smith for opener.

DeAndre is in Phase 1 of 5 of concussion protocol still not ruled out for Sunday.

Kubiak said he doesn't think Foster will play Sunday.

Arian Foster was practicing but limited today.
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Tim Jamison and Jared Crick will compete to see who replaces Smith in the starting lineup, but both will contribute. #Texans

But players "have a job when they get out there to maintain their composure regardless of circumstances. No excuses." #Texans

Kubiak says he "has to make sure my players keep their composure on the football field. That's my job." #Texans

Kubiak "disappointed" in himself and Antonio Smith for actions that led to suspension. #Texans

LG Wade Smith is also possible for the San Diego game despite scoped knee. #Texans

Kubiak says Foster won't play during preseason but he expects him back for opener at San Diego. #Texans
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Texans CB Brandon Harris fined $21 grand for hit on defenseless receiver against Miami.

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What exactly are you looking for from the FB in a preseason game?

Blocks that can spring an RB for some extra yards. Greg Jones was widely considered the second best FB behind Leach when he was with the Jags, so more of that if it was possible.
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$21K seems excessive for that hit. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it didn't look intentional to me.
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$21K seems excessive for that hit. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it didn't look intentional to me.
u see the hit by the bears rookie LB that he got fined for, total BS. The league is getting a little out of hand
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$21K seems excessive for that hit. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it didn't look intentional to me.
His actual fine will be $5955. The CBA does not allow a fine to be more than 25% of a game check. Bostic makes $405k.
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His actual fine will be $5955. The CBA does not allow a fine to be more than 25% of a game check. Bostic makes $405k.
He made something like $900 for the preseason game, not a full regular season game check.
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I don't suppose anyone has a video clip of B Harris' hit in question do they? I'd really like to see it and don't know how to go about it.

IMO, these fines (as everyone previously mentioned) are getting so ridiculous and out of hand, they are going to cause more and more Dustin Keller scenarios to unfold. When you have a rookie coming into the league (DJ Swear) and already he's trained to go low to avoid a fine, this mantra is going to eventually be spread around the league.

Last time I checked your knee isn't supposed to bend backwards, but I believe this will be the new normal in football thanks to that D bag Goodell.

When you get hit high you excite the fans and you eventually get up. When you get hit low, generally you bring the place down and you're carted away. You're going to have to make a choice between these 2 because you can't delegate a defender to hit a moving/juking target in a 6" window.
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I don't suppose anyone has a video clip of B Harris' hit in question do they? I'd really like to see it and don't know how to go about it.
There's no doubt he hit him in the head. The question is about the size of the fine. $21,000 is pretty hefty & probably a big portion of his paycheck. He's not one of these guys that make millions.

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IMO, these fines (as everyone previously mentioned) are getting so ridiculous and out of hand, they are going to cause more and more Dustin Keller scenarios to unfold. When you have a rookie coming into the league (DJ Swear) and already he's trained to go low to avoid a fine, this mantra is going to eventually be spread around the league.
That hit was a perfect storm of events & truthfully probably had little to do with the NFL fines & rules. Dj was not going to hit that big boy high. Small guys hit big guys low all the time, always have, always will. That's the only way they can bring those big guys down. (Not that Dj is little, but relatively speaking, he wasn't going to be hitting Keller high).

But the NFL is going to have to do something. If these fines & suspensions are affecting the game that much, they're going to have to put a limit on cuncussiongs. 3 concussions & your career is over. That's really the only "safe" way to go about it.

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Last time I checked your knee isn't supposed to bend backwards, but I believe this will be the new normal in football thanks to that D bag Goodell.
D BAg???? What would you do? If you were the commisioner & there was a growing list of players suing you for effects they suffered from playing the game? If there are at least two players who killed themselves because of it?

DBag??

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When you get hit high you excite the fans and you eventually get up. When you get hit low, generally you bring the place down and you're carted away. You're going to have to make a choice between these 2 because you can't delegate a defender to hit a moving/juking target in a 6" window.
90% of Dunta Robinson's hits were low. Glover Quin generally targets areas below the waist. Kareem is a sure tackler, but most of his hits are & will be at the waist or below.

It's part of the game. Always has been always will be. It wasn't that Dj hit Keller low, it was that Keller was coming down on that leg as Dj hit him. Had Swearinger hit him a second earlier, or 2 seconds later, Keller would have finished that game.
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The thing about the Swearinger hit is that he made a tackle in the Vikings game like that and I think he made 1 or two more tackles like that in the Dolphins game.

I hope he doesn't change the way he tackles. That's one of the things I like about him. He's a good one on one tackler. He gets guys on the ground in a hurry most times.

Tackling low has been practiced by DB's for as long as I can remember.

But I do think that with the new rules you're going to have guys that would have normally gone up high, aiming lower on certain hits.

Hopefully there are no more devastating injuries.
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There's no doubt he hit him in the head. The question is about the size of the fine. $21,000 is pretty hefty & probably a big portion of his paycheck. He's not one of these guys that make millions.
Harris makes $674,938. The max fine which can be collected is 25% of one game check. So his fine will be $9925.

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Fines come out of a regular season check after the fine becomes final. They are never based on the preseason.
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D BAg???? What would you do? If you were the commisioner & there was a growing list of players suing you for effects they suffered from playing the game? If there are at least two players who killed themselves because of it?

DBag??

Get a life.
Cool bro. I'll work on getting a life.

Wait until someone like Larry Fitzgerald has this happen to them, then the game will change again. Stand by your man though, maybe you won't hate what happens next.

Did anyone find a video clip of that hit? I obviously tried Google, but got nothing, generally this forum is my goto because they have every video clip before I even know there is an issue that needs to be watched.
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.... TK's statement is very reasonable , whether I agree with it or not.
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Hopkins is still in phase 1 of the concussion program. Ruled out for Sunday. #Texans

Ed Reed will have his surgeon in Vail take the last look at Reed and that will be the last step before Reed returns to Houston. #Texans

"It's over. The kid did nothing wrong. It's over." Kubiak on D.J. Swearinger's hit on Dustin Keller. #Texans #Dolphins

Kubiak said Arian Foster's reps went from 10 to 20 today. Said he felt good coming out of yesterday's practice. #Texans

Kubiak says it's too early to say if he'll keep 3 QBs but "we've got two very good ones" and you don't let good players go. #Texans

Asked how he'd make a call if they're neck in neck, Kubiak says: "Somebody's got to lean." #Texans

Kubiak says he'll decide tomorrow which backup quarterback will go second on Sunday. #Texans

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The surgeon will take a last look at Ed Reed in Colorado and then he'll be back in Houston. #TexansTalk

Kubiak said he doesn't see Foster playing this weekend. #TexansTalk

"He looked good. He did more." -- Kubiak on Foster #TexansTalk
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Mercilus day-to-day according to Kubiak. He could play Thursday possibly. Wade Smith should hit field with trainers Monday. #Texans

DeAndre Hopkins has been ruled out this week. He is still at stage 1 of the concussion protocol and feels about the same. #Texans

He put his pads on with everybody else. he went from about 10 reps to 20 today." Kubiak on Foster at prac. Doesn't think he'll go Sun#Texans James

"We're going to the end with this thing." - Kubiak on the backup QB battle. #Texans

David Hunter will miss a few days with an ankle sprain. Most likely won't play Sunday. #Texans
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"Ben's going to play a lot. Will probably get spelled by Deji"- Kubiak on Ben Tate & Deji Karim this Sunday vs. Saints.

Kubiak said #Texans RT Derek Newton has had a "really good camp". Some good with bad, but he's improving.

Kubiak: Drew Brees is 1 of best QB's in NFL over last 14 yrs. "Heckuva test" for #Texans.

Kubiak: #Texans backup QB battle will go "all the way to the end" between Yates/Keenum.

Kubiak: #Texans have tough decisions to make w/regards to roster cuts. 2nd half of Saints game is good chance to see that.

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84 is earl Mitchell. I Played a few games there in that uniform.

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“On appeal, a player may assert, among other defenses, that any fine should be reduced because it is excessive when compared to the player’s expected earnings for the season in question. However, a fine may be reduced on this basis only if it exceeds 25 percent of one week of a player’s salary for a first offense, and 50 percent of one week of a player’s salary for a second offense. A player may also argue on appeal that the circumstances do not warrant his receiving a fine above the amount stated in the schedule of fines.”

A player’s weekly pay is one-seventeenth of his salary...
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The lawsuit against the NFL cited a 1993 film, NFL Rocks, in which Seau, asked how he felt about dealing out and taking so many punishing hits, said: "If I can feel some dizziness, I know that guy is feeling double [that]."
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Brian T. Smith ‏@ChronBrianSmith
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If I don't hunt, I don't eat' - #Texans rookie D.J. Swearinger hasn't watched Killer hit, isn't backing down #NFL

#Texans' Swearinger: "It's whatever way you've got to do that, that's what defenders are going to do. Whatever does it, does it." #NFL

#Texans' Swearinger was confident, uppbeat after #Dolphins game. Mentality has carried through this week. Calmly discussed hit Thursday.

#Texans' Swearinger hasn't watched replay of Keller hit. "Truthfully, I've tried to let it go. I'm sorry. I pray he has a great recovery."

#Texans' D.J. Swearinger: "You can't have any second thoughts on the field. You've got to do what you're going to do." #NFL

#Texans' D.J. Swearinger made his name as a hitter. He'll keep hunting, despite noise after Dustin Keller hit. #NFL
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