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Old 08-21-2013   #161
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Miami fans won't like it and the NFL won't like it (as he's one of their morning show faces) but he told the Truth. If they (the NFL) wants to fix it, they'll start reviewing the films and start addressing the root cause - levying fines/suspensions on the illegal behavior that sends normally fair players over the edge.

The Texans have the film; they should send in video of the behavior that instigated Ninja's angry response as well as the other clips that Playoffs posted showing Richie going after J.J. Watt.

Oh and they should suspend the ref that watched the whole thing unfold and "ate his hanky" instead of throwing a flag. Last I heard, Hands to the Face was a 15 yd penalty.
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What exactly is the NFL going to fine Incognito for exactly? I know Hands to the Face is illegal in the context of the game, but they don't retroactively fine players for missed penalties, that's a terrible precedent to set. The refs share a little blame for missing these very egregious penalties by Incognito, leading to the rest of the confrontation (of course they didn't penalize Smith for going all Ninja on the helmet swing either, so those guys are bozos all round). The NFL should definitely have had a close eye on Incognito for his reputation but as far as fines/suspensions for Incognito for this incident I just don't think the stuff he did warrant that punishment.
Isn't this exactly what is happening to Smith?

I don't mind retroactive penalties, but come on, make it CONSISTANT, hurt them all!
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Texans' brass really got to be disappointed and pizzed-off with their investment
in Smith, especially now when they are making a big-run at the big prize.
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Seriously doubt that. Smith has been excellent the last two years.
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It's really hard to defend Ninja when he's so wrong and it's on film...even when he's so right. The homer in me wants to say the regular season game suspension was unwarranted but it probably is.

Caught between a rock and a hard place.
That's where I'm at minus one thing...where is Incognito's punsihment?

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?? He's in the last year of his contract and might miss one regular-season game. Not seeing the huge disappointment factor.
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That's where I'm at minus one thing...where is Incognito's punsihment?

?? He's in the last year of his contract and might miss one regular-season game. Not seeing the huge disappointment factor.
I thought about that but it's always the guy that retaliates that gets punished. Sucks for Smith but at least it wasn't 6 games and he wasn't popping mollies.
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It's really hard to defend Ninja when he's so wrong and it's on film...even when he's so right. The homer in me wants to say the regular season game suspension was unwarranted but it probably is.

Caught between a rock and a hard place.
I think some of us have been very clear that we're OK with Antonio Smith getting punished, but we just want Incognito punished AS WELL. He instigated the incident, and he tried to injure Antonio Smith. If there's no punishment for deliberately trying to injure another player, then you have to expect players to "fix it", as ED said.

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Ninja maybe went a little too far with taking Incognito's helmet and all but I understand Davis's take. Sometimes you got to stand up and let a guy like Incognito know that you can't be pushed around.
When the league won't protect players, they have to protect themselves. In my eyes, the league is complicit in this incident, because their radar should be locked on to Incognito from years past. That guy has issues with lots of players besides Smith. So letting Incognito's behavior go unchecked is the same as condoning it. So the league is not protecting players from Incognito's play that is clearly outside of the rules and spirit of the game.

So yeah, I'm OK with Smith getting sat down, but I am not OK with the NFL or Incognito. And I am OK with Smith's reaction, except for the fact that he didn't connect. If you're going to get sat down, make it worthwhile. Personally, I hope Incognito suffers some career ending injury.
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Seriously doubt that. Smith has been excellent the last two years.
They weren't, but I'm sure they are today.
They've paid him handsomely for his efforts over the last 2 years, just as they are this season. But Smith is supposed to set the example for the teams rookies and other young players looking to role models, not act like the most immature and out-of-control player on the entire roster. And maybe the Texans blow-out SD, or maybe the game is very close with Smiths absence being the difference between winning and losing.
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I thought about that but it's always the guy that retaliates that gets punished. Sucks for Smith but at least it wasn't 6 games and he wasn't popping mollies.
I see that for "real-time" flags, etc., but not when you've got all day to go back and look at film. In this case, there's zero excuse as neither were flagged during the game.
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Seriously doubt that. Smith has been excellent the last two years.
Yep, now way Texans are disappointed in Smiff's top 25% play last two years.

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I thought about that but it's always the guy that retaliates that gets punished.
But the league office can retroactively punish what they see. Incognito was digging his left hand into Smith's facemask/eyes and then struck him in the head with his right. No foul? Without those there would not have been any retaliation by Smith.
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I still don't why the media just chooses to ignore Cognito wrenching Smiths neck right before the swing. Even NFLN just casually removes it like it is nothing
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I see that for "real-time" flags, etc., but not when you've got all day to go back and look at film. In this case, there's zero excuse as neither were flagged during the game.
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But the league office can retroactively punish what they see. Incognito was digging his left hand into Smith's facemask/eyes and then struck him in the head with his right. No foul? Without those there would not have been any retaliation by Smith.
All I'm saying is don't expect the "he hit me first" defense to much. The league is full of hypocrites. Should Incognito get something too? Absolutely. I just don't see it happening. I'm just skeptical of the league actually doing the right thing.
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They weren't, but I'm sure they are today.
They've paid him handsomely for his efforts over the last 2 years, just as they are this season. But Smith is supposed to set the example for the teams rookies and other young players looking to role models, not act like the most immature and out-of-control player on the entire roster. And maybe the Texans blow-out SD, or maybe the game is very close with Smiths absence being the difference between winning and losing.
BS. That defense sees one of their leaders not taking crap from some dirty POS like Incognito. I guarantee the respect they have for Smith shadows any negative repercussions from this incident.

You think guys on the Steel Curtain or Doomsday Defense would put up with a punk like Ingognito pulling his dirty crap? Of course not. And we need defense like those historic units. A team that does not take crap from anyone and walks the line.
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I still don't why the media just chooses to ignore Cognito wrenching Smiths neck right before the swing. Even NFLN just casually removes it like it is nothing
Smith is only getting sympathy from Texans homers. Its either an all-reaching media conspiracy against Antonio Smith, or it is a case of rose-tinted glasses.

No problem with Antonio retaliating against a POS. But trying to hit a guy in the head with a blunt object...

Now if he had given Incognito an AJ style beatdown like what happened to Finnegan, there would be much rejoicing in the football world.
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BS. That defense sees one of their leaders not taking crap from some dirty POS like Incognito. I guarantee the respect they have for Smith shadows any negative repercussions from this incident.
C'mon, it's a meaningless exhibition game, and Smith goes brain-dead and ends up getting busted for a game that really counts. He should have just walked away or laughed it off, especially since he's gone up against this dirty bastaxd several times in the past. How stupid is that, really, for Smith to go nutz agasint this guy and have this happen a couple weeks befor the season begins ?
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You think guys on the Steel Curtain or Doomsday Defense would put up with a punk like Ingognito pulling his dirty crap? Of course not. And we need defense like those historic units. A team that does not take crap from anyone and walks the line.
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Now if he had given Incognito an AJ style beatdown like what happened to Finnegan, there would be much rejoicing in the football world.
Exactly. As dumb as it may sound, if Smith had just gone Roy Jones jr on Incognito rather than swinging a helmet around, there would be much less blowback on Smith, and media probably would've concentrated more on how Incognito plays dirty.

Or at least thats how it plays out in my head (probably would not have happened this way). It also doesn't help that Smith has gotten a few fines for blows to the head already in just his Texans career.
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So Michael Irvin used his helmet as a weapon during halftime fight,

and when Raiders Howie Long got into it with Patriots GM Patrick Sullivan Matt Millen stepped in and whomped the GM in the forehead with his helmet.
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