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Old 08-20-2013   #141
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGkJHivBPjE

Play from last year where Baby Huey was trying to eat Smiths ankle/lower leg. Perhaps there was some carry over of that to this game. No telling what was said or done prior to Smith losing his cool this time around; most people are just looking at the one play.
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Antonio made reference to it. It was when he got punched after getting his neck twisted around.
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They have done it before. Happened a couple times last year where players were fined for non-flagged plays.

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Kenny Philips

Golden Tate

Here is an article on it - Link

All of those fines discussed in those two articles are based on "hits" in illegal areas (defenseless receivers, helmet to helmet, unnecessary roughness). These aren't your typical penalties with lineman vs lineman stuff, that's more in the realm of holding, hands to the face and the like. I don't see the NFL doing much more to Incognito than sending him a formal letter saying the refs will key on his play more throughout the season.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGkJHivBPjE

Play from last year where Baby Huey was trying to eat Smiths ankle/lower leg. Perhaps there was some carry over of that to this game. No telling what was said or done prior to Smith losing his cool this time around; most people are just looking at the one play.


And Incognito working on JJ Watt's ankle/lower leg...



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What exactly is the NFL going to fine Incognito for exactly? I know Hands to the Face is illegal in the context of the game, but they don't retroactively fine players for missed penalties, that's a terrible precedent to set. The refs share a little blame for missing these very egregious penalties by Incognito, leading to the rest of the confrontation (of course they didn't penalize Smith for going all Ninja on the helmet swing either, so those guys are bozos all round). The NFL should definitely have had a close eye on Incognito for his reputation but as far as fines/suspensions for Incognito for this incident I just don't think the stuff he did warrant that punishment.

Ritchie Incognito is a piece of **** Guard who relies on Courtland Finnegan type tactics to get under players skin in order to get them penalized or ejected. Those guys exist in this league and when you do things like swinging helmets at them you are playing into their hand. Antonio Smith is (what I thought) a much better player than that and could keep his temper in check, and while I doubt he cares about my opinions, but it's disappointing.
It doesn't appear that Incognito's offense is a simple hands to the face/face masking penalty. He was wrenching Smith's head side to side and appeared to have a firm grip on Smith's face mask. I'm not condoning Smith's actions, but he would've been better served to have kept his cool, walked away, and then contacted the league after the game.

I think it's ridiculous that all of these media outlets are showing the last second of a play while ignoring everything that led up to it. Pathetic reporting and sensationalizing of a story.
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It doesn't appear that Incognito's offense is a simple hands to the face/face masking penalty. He was wrenching Smith's head side to side and appeared to have a firm grip on Smith's face mask. I'm not condoning Smith's actions, but he would've been better served to have kept his cool, walked away, and then contacted the league after the game.
I'd believe it if they had suspended Incognito as well. Or it they made a habit of fining offensive players for similar events the way they do defensive players.... but they didn't & they don't.

One day in the future, some other hot-headed defensive player who played the same dirty offensive player for the last three years is going to connect with that helmet & the NFL won't have anyone to blame for it but themselves.

When a player like Andre Johnson looses it & puts a beat down on someone in the middle of the game, that should wake you up... there is obviously something "unfair" about what's going on.

Same thing with Antonio, granted he's got a history of letting his emotions get the best of him. But this is a preseason game. Means absolutely nothing. How is someone going to get this mad over a meaningless game? & for them to suspend Antonio & give Incognito a pass.... yeah, you're telling the players to "handle it" on the field.
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Anyone remember the McGahee incident??

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I'd believe it if they had suspended Incognito as well. Or it they made a habit of fining offensive players for similar events the way they do defensive players.... but they didn't & they don't.

One day in the future, some other hot-headed defensive player who played the same dirty offensive player for the last three years is going to connect with that helmet & the NFL won't have anyone to blame for it but themselves.

When a player like Andre Johnson looses it & puts a beat down on someone in the middle of the game, that should wake you up... there is obviously something "unfair" about what's going on.

Same thing with Antonio, granted he's got a history of letting his emotions get the best of him. But this is a preseason game. Means absolutely nothing. How is someone going to get this mad over a meaningless game? & for them to suspend Antonio & give Incognito a pass.... yeah, you're telling the players to "handle it" on the field.
I remember Igor Olshansky snapping and rabbit punching one of the Broncos in the neck after he targeted his surgically repaired knee on a QB spike (or kneeldown). Igor got ejected. It was an awesome moment for D-linemen everywhere, especially coming against one of the dirtiest teams in NFL history.

Turley's epic meltdown against the Jets was also a thing of beauty.

Antonio is lucky he didn't connect with the helmet, he'd be gone for the year.
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You guys are ridiculous. You didn't see Incognito move his head out of the way? Retaliation or not doesn't make two damn bits of difference, the intent to smash his head with the helmet was there, and if Incognito were a second slower I imagine you guys would be singing a much different tune.
Icognito flinched and thats about it. Its not like he moved 2' out of the way. You can clearly see Smith start to talke a real swing arms extended, but stops about half way to full extension of his arms and pull the helmet back towards his body during the swing.

You must be a fan of Richie as much as you think he moved his fat ass out of the way like some kind of Hollywood Ninja. That or you hate Antonio.

I'm not defending Smith's actions I'm just saying he stopped himself. If you want to go all Pre-crime and count the tenth of a second against Smith in which he intended to crack him with the helmet then have at it, but I'm fairly certain that almost everyone ever born short of Ghandi has had that moment where they had a split second in which they were going to punch someone and stopped short, but made some kind of dominent display towards the other person in the process.
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I'd believe it if they had suspended Incognito as well. Or it they made a habit of fining offensive players for similar events the way they do defensive players.... but they didn't & they don't.

One day in the future, some other hot-headed defensive player who played the same dirty offensive player for the last three years is going to connect with that helmet & the NFL won't have anyone to blame for it but themselves.

When a player like Andre Johnson looses it & puts a beat down on someone in the middle of the game, that should wake you up... there is obviously something "unfair" about what's going on.

Same thing with Antonio, granted he's got a history of letting his emotions get the best of him. But this is a preseason game. Means absolutely nothing. How is someone going to get this mad over a meaningless game? & for them to suspend Antonio & give Incognito a pass.... yeah, you're telling the players to "handle it" on the field.
Smith has nowhere near the reputation that AJ has. Besides, how often have you witnessed the retaliation get flagged/fined/suspended when the instigation went unpenalized? It happens very often in the flagged/fined portion. I'm not sure on the suspended portion, but you get the point. At this point Smith, regardless of justification, is getting punked by Incognito. This has less to do with right or wrong and more to do with perception. You see hands to the face and face masking every week. When's the last time you saw some one rip a helmet off of an opponent and swing it at them?

Again, I'm not placing blame or exonerating anything, just pointing out the obvious public perception. Smith did wrong. He should take his medicine. The NFL did wrong by not punishing Incognito in some form or fashion (2 years in a row) and by not punishing a referee who should've thrown a flag well before the helmet was ripped off. I don't have an answer on how to deal with the NFL's shortcomings in this. Maybe a bunch of nasty tweets or emails?
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It's really hard to defend Ninja when he's so wrong and it's on film...even when he's so right. The homer in me wants to say the regular season game suspension was unwarranted but it probably is.

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The nature of the media is to generate emotion by elevating people or knocking them down. Bonus ratings when done sequentially to the same person.

Right now, Antonio Smith is the villain, and the national audience is supposed to get mad. "What the hell?! Suspend him five games! Typical dirty Texans!" (I have already read those exact comments).

Emotions then slightly cool, so phase two is to knock down Incognito by rerunning slow motion video of him wrenching Antonio's helmet, while they discuss his history as a dirty player. Even though Incognito's actions were apparent from the beginning, the media didn't acknowledge them during phase one because that would have neutralized anger at Antonio, and anger equals ratings.

Phase three starts with garnering sympathy for Antonio, because how else is a guy going to protect himself if the officials aren't going to regulate dirty players like Incognito? Let's get mad at the officials now. And this Antonio Smith guy is actually quite a character. He calls himself a ninja? That guy's crazy! We all like him now. Maybe the NFL should allow him to play game 1 after all.

The league, being 80% a PR organization, decides that Antonio's appeal has merit, and it totally has nothing to do with public opinion and it totally has everything to do with lapses in officiating.

Fast forward to the season premier of Monday Night Football. What is going to motivate national viewers to stay up to watch the late game? It's the showcasing of the publicly vindicated Antonio Smith and his crazy ninja obsession. That guy's crazy. The media that knocked him down has now elevated him, so people have to watch.

If you think I'm being cynical, then consider how the above narrative benefits both the media and the league. Plus, this is the most interesting story of the pre-season. ACL tears happen every year, but not using a helmet as a weapon. They're going to create layers by reporting it in phases. So don't get mad.
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If the Ninja wanted to hit a grand slam with Incrapnito's head, he could have. Incrapnito did NOT pull his head back in a matrix move, rather the Ninja went soft upside his personal space. Trust me, had the Ninja wanted to knock his head off, he could have. The league needs to police it better (dirty players) and this crap will end.

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Ninja maybe went a little too far with taking Incognito's helmet and all but I understand Davis's take. Sometimes you got to stand up and let a guy like Incognito know that you can't be pushed around.
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