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Old 08-11-2013   #21
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I've been disappointed that Braman has had such a poor camp; and my expectations for the dude has taken a bit of a nosedive. But he was the only OLB to get to the QB against the Vikings. Three more preseason games; we'll see who's the "sack leader" by the end of camp.
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I thought Braman looked really good. I think he is ready to take meaningful snaps. Hopefully merciless has improved. If he has I thi k our LB corps as a whole is going to be pretty good. I think we are going to be fine there.
In addition to changing my critique of Pleasant (in another thread) I'm changing my position of Braman. I think he'll look really strong when we get 99, 94, & 56 in the game.
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I know sharpton plays inside, but I though he looked good as well.
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I know sharpton plays inside, but I though he looked good as well.
I thought he did well, too; however, there were too few snaps between him and Mays to evaluate either one of them.

Knowing that, what was your impression of the two?
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I thought he did well, too; however, there were too few snaps between him and Mays to evaluate either one of them.

Knowing that, what was your impression of the two?
I thought they both looked good. Both looked like they were ready to play. Of course like you said, not enough snaps though. Couldn't really see how they'd hold up in pass coverage for multiple snaps, but I saw mays make a nice stop on a run up the middle and sharpton impressed me most with his blitzing. Seemed to have a good feel for that. I think if they'd have been here last year they'd have been better than the guys we had.

And I think either guy would look fine next to Cushing. However, I'm leaning more towards sharpton. He looked fast and decisive on the field.
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I thought they both looked good. Both looked like they were ready to play. Of course like you said, not enough snaps though. Couldn't really see how they'd hold up in pass coverage for multiple snaps, but I saw mays make a nice stop on a run up the middle and sharpton impressed me most with his blitzing. Seemed to have a good feel for that. I think if they'd have been here last year they'd have been better than the guys we had.

And I think either guy would look fine next to Cushing. However, I'm leaning more towards sharpton. He looked fast and decisive on the field.
I just went back and looked at them carefully, and I agree with you.
I tend to lean toward Sharpton as well.
He was solid to very strong in all the snaps.

The only thing I'd have liked to see from Mays is to take on the OL a little stronger on one play (that or work to get off the guy a little better.)
On another run play, I'm not sure of the assignment, so I can't really complain.
But if it was a one-gap assignment, I would have like for him to attack that gap sooner. There's a possibility for for a TFL or little to no gain there (with help from others.)

Overall, I think they both did well in the limited number of snaps.
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Anyone feeling any better about this unit after Saturday?
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Anyone feeling any better about this unit after Saturday?
I've still got question marks.

I'm hoping Mercilus is the guy we drafted him to be because that's going to make a lot of our issues on the outside disappear. But we haven't seen it, yet.

What I've been kinda surprised about is that after all the talk, we're starting Tuggle at Sam and Reed at Will. I would have expected Reed at Sam.

Willie Jefferson and Braman have flashes on passing downs but they scare me against the run. Willie seems to have the edge and I think, with a little experience, he's going to develop into something special. Unfortunately, we need that "something special" now.

If it was up to me given what I've seen so far, I'd go with:
1. Mercilus
2. Reed
3. Tuggle
4. Jefferson
5. Braman

And that leaves Trevardo Williams and Sam Montgomery either IR'd or on the PS. Those two have really got to make a lot of progress the next two weeks or it's going to make some decisions really, really hard.
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Anyone feeling any better about this unit after Saturday?
Nope! I don't think we'll see Trevardo and Montgomery contributing much on anything but STs this season. So that leaves us with:

Jefferson
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Mercilus
Reed
Braman

Unspectacular if you ask me. Plus, other than Reed, weaker against the run.
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We should brace ourselves for a real surprise, maybe even a shocker at this position when it comes to selection of the final 53-man roster because it is absolutely critical to have effective outside backers in the 3-4 defense and we are seeing much more production from undrafted players than the Draft pics.
The starters, Mercilus & Reed, are the givens but after that all bets are off with either OLB Draft pics here, Williams & Montgomery, even with a very consevative HC like Kubiak. He's got to get production here to have a really successful defense and also don't forget that Wade Phillips might have even more input about who makes the final roster on the defense than Kubiak.
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It's too early to start counting chicken.
These draft picks all had seen injury that has been keeping them behind schedule.
They didn't put them on IR, so it looks to me that they are leaning toward keeping them.
But who knows, we might see one or two guys mysteriously suffer an injury in the next two games and getting IRed.
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ProFootballFocus is rating preseason games this year -- cumulatively for OLBs taking >25% of defensive snaps...

Willie Jefferson, then Brian Braman have "plus" grades so far. Wille is 3rd/79; Brian 7th/79.

None have negative overall grades, but Tuggle & Reed have "minus" pass rush grades and Trevardo has a "minus" run grade.

These are super small samples that, even though "normalized", still lend weight to players with more snaps. The small sample size overweights a single play. And this is all against varied, typically poor, competition.

My eyes haven't seen the issue with Reed on pass rush; but I have seen Willie get stoned when the lineman gets his hands on him. I have seen Tuggle struggle in pass rush and Trevardo struggle against the run.

So what I envision is a bunch of strategic substituting.
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Nope! I don't think we'll see Trevardo and Montgomery contributing much on anything but STs this season. So that leaves us with:

Jefferson
Tuggle
Mercilus
Reed
Braman

Unspectacular if you ask me. Plus, other than Reed, weaker against the run.
I was telling my wife how impressed I was at Tuggle's ability to set the edge... I thought he did a good job. I was also impressed with how deep he got on some of his drops... a lot of those timed I wondered why he got so deep, but that's another story.

I think Tuggle will be fine against the run. It's possible he can help our pass defense. The only thing I don't like about him is I see no value as a pass rusher.

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Saints just cut Chase Thomas. Anyone know anything about him? His pre draft info looked pretty damn good actually:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...5/chase-thomas

WOW! BRB wanted us to draft him in the 2nd round:

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/1/...t-chase-thomas
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Saints just cut Chase Thomas. Anyone know anything about him? His pre draft info looked pretty damn good actually:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...5/chase-thomas

WOW! BRB wanted us to draft him in the 2nd round:

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/1/...t-chase-thomas
Thomas was a nice college football who maxed out his ability with smart and effort. The NFL game is just a little too fast for him; that was my opinion of him during draft time. If he can somehow works to get better in his flexibility and quickness/speed, he could get another shot somewhere.
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Thomas was a nice college football who maxed out his ability with smart and effort. The NFL game is just a little too fast for him; that was my opinion of him during draft time. If he can somehow works to get better in his flexibility and quickness/speed, he could get another shot somewhere.
Cant be any worse than what we have.
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Outside linebacker Whitney Mercilus has missed the first two preseason games with a hamstring injury. The coaches were hoping to get him back for Monday’s light practice, but it won’t happen, according to coach Gary Kubiak.

Mercilus, last year’s first-round pick who registered six sacks as a rookie, was promoted to the starting lineup in place of Connor Barwin. With Mercilus on the sideline, Justin Tuggle, an undrafted rookie, has started the first two games.

Willie Jefferson, another undrafted rookie, comes off the bench on the weak side. Jefferson recorded his first sack against the Dolphins. He had two tackles for a loss.

Rookie Trevardo Williams played in the second half and produced two sacks. He missed time after a cyst was removed from his foot.

Veteran Bryan Braman had a sack against the Dolphins, giving him 1 1/2. The Texans have 10 sacks in two games.

The performances of Braman, Williams, Jefferson and Tuggle gives the coaches confidence in the backup outside positions.


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