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View Poll Results: Who should start if Matt decided not to play another down?
Tj Yates 9 9.38%
Case Keenum 48 50.00%
Schaub can't do that 10 10.42%
May the best man win 29 30.21%
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Old 08-15-2013   #181
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Exhibit number two.

Case Keenum vs Alabama - 2007

Four weeks later, the Cougars faced Saban's Tides in Tuscaloosa.
It doesn't get any bigger than that.
His team would have players suspended before SEC play for violations of NCAA rules, but against the Cougars, they were stacked.

That D eventually have too many players that were drafted or played in the NFL after going undrafted. The drafted players are as followed:
Brandon Deaderick, Josh Chapman, Rolando McClain, Rashad Johnson, Marquis Johnson, Kareem Jackson, Javier Arenas, and Ramzee Robinson.

Keenum came in with 6:35 left in the third quarter, facing a 7-23 deficit.
He almost pulled out the game, but the Cougars lost by 6 (24-30),
He had led the offense to the 3 yard line of the Tides.
With no time left on the clock, Keenum threw an INT in the end zone.
I was not at the game, so I can't tell how it happened.
It was still a heck of an effort by Keenum though.

He actually gained 10 points for the Coogs when he was in there.
Who knows what could happen had he played more.
With these 8 players on defense for the Tides plus several more who made NFL squads as UDFA, it's as close to an NFL defense as you can get.

If it doesn't give one a glimpse of what a QB prospect may fare in the NFL, I don't know what will.

And he was playing with scrubs.
He carried that whole team, and beat the Tides by 10 points.

He put 24 points on the board in one and a third quarter.
That was impressive to me, I don't see how anybody can dispute that.

And no, I'm not comparing him with Yates against the Ravens defense.
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People are pointing out to speedfreak that Keenum did not in fact have magical performances in every big game in his career no matter how much he might try to marginalize below average performances in conference championships or whatnot. I didn't even have to dig because I know Keenum never won a championship in C-USA and had been there at least once or twice.

I'm not a Keenum hater, I hope he does succeed against the almost insurmountable odds against him. But trying to paint him as the savior of the Houston Texans when there is very very very little footage of him against NFL players is silly.
RG III had never even been to a Conference Championship Game.
It takes a whole team to win games, not one player.
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And he was playing with scrubs.
He carried that whole team, and beat the Tides by 10 points.
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It takes a whole team to win games, not one player.
Which is it?
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Which is it?
You know darn well what I mean, LOL!

You can't expect a QB to carry his team all the time
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Look at Peyton Manning's career.
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I watched the game -- it was almost surreal. The sound of 93,000
people getting very, very quiet as their multi-digit lead was whittled
away.

I really thought Case would pull it off. It was the very last play
and all or nothing. He forced it when he was under pressure (freshman
mistake) and it was picked. That's the kind of game he learned
from in my opinion.

Very similar thing happened when Keenum almost beat Andy Dalton's
TCU team in the Houston Bowl. UH was a pretty hefty dog if I remember
correctly.

Case started the game and most of his skills players were sick from
the flu. This is also a game he had to play with an interim head
coach, as Art Briles had literally just left to coach Baylor a week or
so earlier.

They lost the game on the last play, where Case threw a perfect pass
to a tight end that dropped it in the endzone. Couldn't blame the
tight end though -- he had been vomiting the entire game and needed
fluids..

TCU, Bama, Ok. St., Texas Tech, UCLA #2, etc. showed me what kind
of guts the kid has when the chips are down. Never seen that
kind of stuff from Schaub or Yates..

At this point Keenum has more to prove before he sees any regular
season playing time. But I won't count him out..

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Exhibit number two.

Case Keenum vs Alabama - 2007

Four weeks later, the Cougars faced Saban's Tides in Tuscaloosa.
It doesn't get any bigger than that.
His team would have players suspended before SEC play for violations of NCAA rules, but against the Cougars, they were stacked.

That D eventually have too many players that were drafted or played in the NFL after going undrafted. The drafted players are as followed:
Brandon Deaderick, Josh Chapman, Rolando McClain, Rashad Johnson, Marquis Johnson, Kareem Jackson, Javier Arenas, and Ramzee Robinson.

Keenum came in with 6:35 left in the third quarter, facing a 7-23 deficit.
He almost pulled out the game, but the Cougars lost by 6 (24-30),
He had led the offense to the 3 yard line of the Tides.
With no time left on the clock, Keenum threw an INT in the end zone.
I was not at the game, so I can't tell how it happened.
It was still a heck of an effort by Keenum though.

He actually gained 10 points for the Coogs when he was in there.
Who knows what could happen had he played more.
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That he didn't win a championship proves nothing. Where is Marino's
superbowl?

Case had 2 attempts to win a conference title, the first time in 2009
(ECU) he hit a receiver square on in the chest for a game winning
touchdown. It was not caught, bounced up, and was interecepted
in the endzone by a defensive player to end the game. He played
that game in foul weather, horrid wind, and conditions that should
have killed the air-raid attack completely. He also lost his starting
left guard to an injury against rice the previous week and was under
massive pressure the entire game.

In fact, the last play is still on youtube. The receiver had position,
the ball was where it needed to be. A catch = a win. (4:56 mark)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u146eg9DLNc

The only beef is that with 40 some-odd seconds left Keenum could
have tried to move closer to the goal line to get a higher percentage
throw..

The second attempt was against souther miss in 2011. Anyone that
follows the program knows how that went. The entire team collapsed
in that game and the head coach (who didn't bother to gameplan
for it until the previous thursday) was already out the door to aTm.

I can tell you this -- before Keenum, UH had either the longest
(or second longest) bowl game losing streak in all of NCAA D1
football. In the bowl games he played in he was 2-1, breaking that
streak.

Kevin Kolb -- drafted in the second round and winner of the conference
USA championship in 2006 for UH never won a bowl game.

No body is annointing Keenum the savior of the Texans. I'm just asking
people to hold off on the stupid (and unjustified) knocks he seems
to be taking.

Let it play out for a couple of years. We might have an Aaron Rodgers
like story when Matt retires or moves on.. (or not)

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People are pointing out to speedfreak that Keenum did not in fact have magical performances in every big game in his career no matter how much he might try to marginalize below average performances in conference championships or whatnot. I didn't even have to dig because I know Keenum never won a championship in C-USA and had been there at least once or twice.

I'm not a Keenum hater, I hope he does succeed against the almost insurmountable odds against him. But trying to paint him as the savior of the Houston Texans when there is very very very little footage of him against NFL players is silly.

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How are we going to do this?

My vote hasn't changed.
It's still may the best man win the job.

One thing I will vote for is that somebody will sure as heck pick him up if he continues to play like this.

Keep working hard, Case!
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great matchup between these guys. I love seeing the passion with Case. He's also faster getting the ball out and Case actually looks like he has a more powerful arm than Schaub or TJ.

TJ played well. I like how he controlled the game.

I think this game could have been a tie or maybe a slight edge to Case with the long ball on 4th....that was clutch.

I'm good with Case at 3rd, since he'd prob have to be way over TJ to win the spot. I just like the fact there's some real competition.
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Best man still but the way Case is playing, I will say it looks like we should have 3 QBs on the roster. He looked good. I will give him that. TJ is still QB2 in my book. TJ hasn't been bad and Case hasn't outplayed him to take his job. Interesting battle for sure.
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I think, we need to keep 3QBs on our roster.
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I think we do carry three QBs on the roster, but I also believe that during the regular season one of them will be traded to a desperate team. If they are playing about equal then I see Yates being traded this season. I don't have a problem with Yates, but realistically one of them will have to go sooner or later.
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IMO case has outplayed both QBs. Matt hasnt looked bad, and i know he is still the guy. TJ has looked good as well, with all this said i am seeing some good things from Case that i really like. Afraid he will be picked up by someone if we PS him.

If schaub goes down i think we will be just fine with the 2 we have.
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IMO case has outplayed both QBs. Matt hasnt looked bad, and i know he is still the guy. TJ has looked good as well, with all this said i am seeing some good things from Case that i really like. Afraid he will be picked up by someone if we PS him.

If schaub goes down i think we will be just fine with the 2 we have.
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My vote stays the same but even before this, I had us keeping 3 QBs on our roster this year.

Case is showing he's a legitimate NFL QB but TJ isn't looking bad, either.
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I think we do carry three QBs on the roster, but I also believe that during the regular season one of them will be traded to a desperate team. If they are playing about equal then I see Yates being traded this season. I don't have a problem with Yates, but realistically one of them will have to go sooner or later.
You must not follow the Texans very closely. Either one of our backup QB's appear valuable right now. That dictates that Smith will have to cut one so another team can get him for free.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure if a team would sign Keenum off of our practice squad. He has shown a very good grasp of our offense, but I can't think of another team that runs an offense similar enough to ours to justify the roster spot.

Both backups looked pretty dang decent tonight. I still give Keenum abit of an edge due to intangibles and long term upside.
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In all seriousness, I'm not sure if a team would sign Keenum off of our practice squad. He has shown a very good grasp of our offense, but I can't think of another team that runs an offense similar enough to ours to justify the roster spot.
The Texans run the WCO. It's the most copied offense in the NFL. Sure, they have their specific plays and terminology. But for a QB, it is still the WCO.
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If schaub goes down i think we will be just fine with the 2 we have.
IMO, this is the whole point.

We should have won the Super Bowl two years running. I know a lot of teams say that & I don't know if you (all inclusive) believe it or not. But I believe it. I believe Bob McNair, Rick Smith, Gary Kubiak, & our core players believe it.

I believe "we" also believe we should win the Super Bowl this year. We're starting at 0-0 like every other team, it's not going to be easy, but we've got the guys in place to make it happen.

This QB "competition" is to push both young QBs, get them both thinking that they are one play away & they need to be ready to take advantage of that situation. If (God forbid - & I mean that seriously (not like my wife who actually wishes harm on the guy)) something were to happen with Schaub...... or the Gimp shows up again, that's not going to be an excuse for why we didn't win a Lombardy. We already used those excuses.

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The Texans couldn't even secure home field last year much less beat a good team in the playoffs. So no they shouldn't have won the superbowl last year.

The year prior to that they played lights out. I think that was their year. Injuries just piled up but they never quit. Last year was an end of season collapse. Totally different.
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I voted for Case.

I liked TJ and how he played when Schaub and Leinart went down. But don/t really see where he has the capability to go much farther. I think he is good and a good backup if we need one, but not the type to be a really good starter.

I don't watch college ball and really do not care how anyone played in college. The only thing that matters is can he play in the NFL. A lot of very good college players do not make that transition.

I see an excitement on the field when Case is in and it is not just him. He seems to motivate everyone else around him. Everyone just seems a little bit quicker. He seems to get the ball out of his hands faster than either Matt or TJ. He throws a really nice ball. That pass last night to Jean for the TD was beautiful to watch.

To be honest, I did not watch the second half with TJ in the game. I will watch that later as I recorded it.

I also do not think he will make it to our PS. I think somebody that plays the WCO will pick him up. Right now I would rather lose TJ than Case. I just think that Case has way more upside than TJ.
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